2019 Kia Niro EV First Impressions; Honda Fixing Its CR-V’s Troubled Engines | Talking Cars #205

We give our first impressions
of the all new 2019 all electric Kia Niro EV. We talk about the latest
developments in the Honda CRV engine oil dilution issue. And we answer audience
questions, including what happened to the spare tires. Next, on Talking Cars. [MUSIC PLAYING] Hi, and welcome to the show. I’m Jennifer Stockburger. I’m Ryan Pszczolkowski. And I’m Jon Linkov. So we’re going to jump
right into some news. This is a topic that many of
you have certainly reached out to us about, which
is the dilution of oil in Honda CRVs with gas. Manifested from anything
as simple as people smelling fuel in the cabin,
to some drivability issues. Stalling, stuttering,
things like that. It was obviously uncommon for
Honda to have serious issues. We certainly saw it
in our reliability. And Honda did react in that
they’re now repairing them. Took them a while, I will say. And it started with the
cold weather states. It seemed to be a cold weather
issue, or they said it was. So Maine, Minnesota, North
Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin were getting fixes. And then it started
into other states. Our reliability saw it
in warmer states as well. But the news is they’re
kind of giving owners a little bit of extra time,
Jon, if you want to summarize. Yeah, it even was something that
reached into China at first. There was a whole
discussion that China had some kind of action. But it’s not the same as a
recall in the United States. And you can’t say
apples to apples. So like you said, 21
cold weather states, 239,000 vehicles are
eligible for a fix. It covers– I’m sorry, this is the
1.5 liter turbo engine. Oh yes. Yes, [INAUDIBLE]. So it’s the 1.5
liter turbo, which is a new engine for Honda. It applies to certain
2017 and ’18 CRVs. Also the ’16 to ’18 Civic. Same engine. So same engine. Which our viewers
asked us about. Right. And that’s the thing. A lot of people
contacted us about it. We did get verbatims
in comments from people who said that they were
experiencing it foaming, the gas smell as well. Yeah, it’s good that they’re
finally doing something. You can’t really give them a pat
on the back for doing something considering it was since
last fall is when it really kind of blew up. And we have an episode
about that right. This is a big issue. But they’re extending
the warranty. They’re going to
extend the warranty. The repair involves new software
for the engine, transmission, oil change, possibly replacement
air conditioning control unit, extended warranty. No mileage limit, which I
thought was interesting. Six years, but no mileage limit. So certainly if you
have those and you experience any of those
symptoms, certainly take it in. Yeah. And like you said, we
saw it in warm weather. So it’s obviously some kind of
tolerance issue, not just cold. Yeah, I think
people are shocked. It’s Honda, and they’re
known for reliability. But stuff like these
little headaches, this can happen to any car company,
even the most reliable car companies. Doesn’t mean Honda’s
a bad car company now. This was a new engine
for them, and it’s a little bit of headache. In particular it can
happen when it’s new. Right, yeah, new technology. It’s a new technology. And there are some thoughts
about whether it should– right now it is not a recall– but if a car is stalling
while it’s running, Jon, I know certainly
our policy folks have said some things about it. Yeah. Quote from our
policy people, we’re glad there’s a
free fix available. But vehicles are stalling,
and some people said that. They should they should
have an official recall because it doesn’t expire. A technical service bulletin,
a free fix will contact you. You come to the dealer. Those types of things expire. Recall will be open forever,
not a mileage limit, not a time limit as age of vehicle. Right. And as we were covering this,
we did reach out to Honda, and they said the following. “Abnormal oil dilution
remains extremely rare, especially outside of
extremely cold weather. In extreme and rare cases
in the cold weather states, where abnormal oil dilution
has occurred prior to a vehicle receiving the software
updates, this extension will provide extra time for
any undetected engine damage to become apparent and be
covered by the warranty.” Even in our data– and still, it’s
a serious issue– Very serious. But it has been relatively
rare for the CRV. And it made big news
because it was Honda. But it is rare. We have still maintained our
recommendation on the car, because it’s not a ton of
vehicles that it has affected. But if it does affect
you, certainly reach out. And it’s not to minimize it
in the sense it’s important if it happens to you. Any of these things are
important if it happens to you. Yeah, it’s a new car. And you certainly
understand that. But as far as the recommendation
goes– and like you said, the reliability– it is
minor in the world of CRVs that were sold. Right. So that leads me to a
little bit of our news in that because small SUVs these
are so incredibly popular– both new and used– we looked back to
make a small list of those that were particularly
good in reliability, road test score. The idea being that they could
depreciate out, but still have plenty of life
left in them because of their reliability record. So specifically 2016s,
look at the show notes. And it’ll drive it
back to our list. There’s others,
obviously, that work. This was a small list. So Ryan, why don’t you give
us your thoughts on anything that’s on that small list. So I took a look. The Mazda CX-5 is going
to be the pick for me. It’s the most fun to
drive, and I think the interior’s the nicest. It feels the most
luxurious, anyway. Yeah. And it’s a good looking
car, I think, personally. I certainly find in
my personal life– I don’t know if you
guys get the same– there’s four cars
that stand out. And they may not. The RAV-4, the CX-5, the
Forester, and the CRV. That is like the quad of people
call, which one should I get? And truly, depending on what
your personal preferences are, pick any of them. You almost can’t go wrong. Almost can’t go wrong
with any of them. But Jon, did you
have a particular one from that narrow list? I don’t have one from the narrow
list because I’ve actually– and you get into the
reliability issue. So it depends on what you
want financially, it depends on what you want reliability. You want something else that
has these positive attributes, and you’re willing to go with
an average reliability car. Nissan Rogue is an
interesting little one. Not the most dynamic. Continuously
variable transmission doesn’t initially mean
enjoyment, but a nicely roomy car. It works well for me. The ’16 Honda CRV– again, so it’s
before this recall– you’re not getting the turbo– not the recall, but
before the engine problem, extended warranty. It’s the final
year of the design, so it means they worked
out any headaches– they should have. And it’s roomy. I just like the way
Hondas drive a little more than the other
competing products. Not the CX-5. CX-5 is still more enjoyable. But I like the CRV. So refer to the list. Take a look, see
if it’s something you might be interested in. So in keeping with
the small SUVs, we have a new one here at the
track, a little bit different. The 2019 Kia Niro EV. All electric Kia Niro. Reporting 239 miles of range. We’ve talked about getting
over that 200 mile mark to make it a practical vehicle. We had tested the hybrid Niro. 1.6 liter [? for ?] hybrid. 43 miles per gallon. Ryan, did you get a chance
to get into a Niro EV? I did. I did. So it’s exciting. Like you say, getting over
this 200 mile hump is as big. It’s huge for me,
because I have anxiety when it comes to these things. He has range anxiety. And that’s huge. It becomes a daily
usable car, I think. Because you’re not
terrified everywhere you go to turn on the wipers
or the headlights or something, and watch the mileage disappear. But I was pleased with it. It kind of reminded me
of the Honda Kona EV, which is a better version of
the Kona– regular gas Kona– I thought. This is kind of
in that same vein. It’s quieter. It’s got plenty of power. The Niro hybrid that
we tested originally had that little bit revvy,
grainy motor sound in there. Takes all that away. This is just little
more pleasant to drive. And the controls, it’s
got that dial shifter that takes a little getting used to. But the controls,
everything’s pretty simple. And I like that. It’s not getting
into like a Tesla, where you have to learn
this whole crazy screen. It’s a normal car. Most of their controls
are quite simple. Right. User friendly. Yeah. Jon? I echo. At least the
controller, for example, isn’t some kind of weird
monostable where you– I’ll just do– where it
springs back to the center, so you’re never sure
exactly what gear you’re in. Well it does do that,
and it’s a dial. But it identifies it. And you can’t miss hit. You’re in a reverse
drive or park. You’re not in a weird neutral
or anything like that. I like the conventional control. I like conventional EVs. I like the Jaguar [INAUDIBLE]
pays for all of its ills more so than a Tesla Model 3. I personally am not a huge
Tesla fan with the screen. When the screen goes bad,
you can’t do a single thing. HVAC and such. Yes, there’s resets, but
resets don’t always work. Because we know with phones,
computers et cetera– It is. It’s super quiet. It’s quick. You sit up high. I do like it. But yeah, last night
with the cold weather, hit the heater, 10 miles comes
off immediately on your range. AC does the same thing. But at 239 you could
maybe deal with it. It’s reasonable, I think, yeah. I wish they kept the
traditional shifter that we had had in the hybrid Niro. It’s just one– I won’t say gimmick– but
it was just different enough that I didn’t care for it. You have to look to make
sure you’re in that gear. I do think, to Ryan’s
point, it compensated. One of the things we didn’t
like about the hybrid was this lag that it had. The all electric takes
all of that away. Yeah, it’s seamless. The only thing– oh
yes, and it was $47,000. That took my breath
away a little bit. Just to qualify,
the hybrid was 26. That’s a considerable jump. So another 21 to me, yes it
is a better car, not worth. $21,000 better. So think of it. In some ways, if you buy it
and you have a tax liability, you get $7,500. Leasing though–
more and more leasing of these for a
number of reasons. Technology you may not
want to buy and be stuck into the technology as a
fledgling industry that’s advancing at a rapid
wait– rate, excuse me. So yeah, you lease
it and the dealer– so you lease it for two or
three years– and the dealer, they take the tax
credit themselves, but they incorporate it
into the depreciation. So now you have a
pretty low cost. Yes, you have to worry
about 10,000, 12,000 miles, or whatever a lease
would be for you. But that’s a possibility. Buying it outright,
yeah, that’s a lot. That’s a lot of
money for a small– relatively small– SUV. And we have a lot of EVs now. We have a lot more coming. Brought to mind a thought
I was having is I’m a person who likes
EVs, but I like them to feel like they’re not EVs. And I don’t want
them to sound funny, I don’t want them to have brake
regeneration, touchy brakes. I want them to be EVs, but
as traditional as possible. And I’d be interested
to hear what certainly our audience thinks
of, do you want your EV to be EVish, or not? The ones I like the best– like you said, the Kona– are the most traditional
in operation. So I don’t like when
they change the shifter. I want it all traditional. Just leave it alone. I found the brakes a little
weird when it was cold. There was a bite, then all of
a sudden it would really grab. And then I would try to do that,
and obviously they warmed up. The rotors, whatever
the system was, and I couldn’t replicate
that during a drive. But then you park
it, do it again. Strange. So it’ll be interesting. So stay tuned. We’ll be testing that,
comparing it, of course, to its non-EV version. But talking about viewer
feedback and audience feedback, we’re going to move
to some questions. We love them, we love
them, we love them. We only have some
texted ones this week. [email protected] Love the videos, love the text. So the first question
is from Jose. Hi guys, I’m a big
fan of your show. Thank you, Jose. Vehicles You seem to have a
warning light for everything. However, drivers only become
aware that a headlight or brake light is out when a
police officer stops them. Why don’t government regulators
focus on this critical safety issue? Jon, good point. Any thoughts for Jose? Slow down, Jose. Don’t give the police a
reason to pull you over. No, look, some of it is– my opinion– regulation
creep or something like that. It adds costs, it doesn’t
help older vehicles, it’s going take a long time
to get older vehicles out. Is this the key focus? I would personally
think that if there’s going to be a modification
to the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, it should
be mandating a center head restraint, which is not. And there’s plenty of vehicles
out there that are 2019s or ’20s that don’t have that. If you have a safety
belt for that position, you think it’s a
seating position. I would say for Jose, like we
say, check your smoke detector every season change. Flip your mattress around
every season change. Do these types of
maintenance things Have someone park the
car in the garage, or out in the parking
space or wherever. Ask someone. If a kid, maybe make
it a fun– like, this is how you
maintain and check. Great lesson, you’re right. Car is parked, you turn
it on, keep it in park. Just press on the brake pedal. Do you see anything
Timmy, Bobby, Sarah, whoever your child is. Oh yeah, it’s not symmetrical. Only one’s on. Great. Do it monthly. Do it quarterly. Do something like that. Should there be a
standard for an indicator? Another indicator,
another system. If you’re relying
on an indicator and then there’s a
failure of the system, then it says it’s
unlit, but it’s lit. I think it’s one of the lower– it’s a higher hanging
fruit, excuse me, and there’s lower
hanging fruit to address. I think probably the redundancy. You have two. Three. If you’ve ever driven behind
someone who doesn’t have any brake lights, that’s– Now you have three. You have the [INAUDIBLE] the
high mounted, and the two. That’s a crazy the issue. But because you have two,
I think actually the police pull you over almost
as a courtesy, because they know you
don’t know probably. And then they give you a time
frame, usually, to fix it. But it also speaks to me of
getting back to the basics. We talk about all these. Automatic emergency braking
and forward collision warning, which are
all hugely beneficial. But brake lights and headlights
are back to the basics. And head restraints. Beneficial, not to minimize it. But there’s other
technologies that’ll help. Right, right. So thank you, Jose. Next question is from Eric. I think your truck rating
should be separated from cars, especially
when comparing ride quietness and comfort. Most trucks are not expected to
compete in comfort with cars. You separate electric
and gas dryers. How about doing the same
thing with cars and trucks? Rate trucks compared
to other trucks. It would lift their scores
and give truck buyers a better idea of quality. Ryan. Any thoughts for Eric? So he’s right. We don’t expect most trucks to
ride as well as a car or a SUV. But if you’re looking
at our ratings, and you see a car that
has a five for ride, and now you have a truck
that has a five for ride– Which one’s better? Yeah, what’s a five? What’s a five? It’s a top score, but
what does it mean? Right. So we ran into this with tires. Back in the day, we used
to rate all our tires were in separate– every category was
weighted separately. So we had an all
season tire that would get a five in that
group for snow traction. And then you’d
have a snow tire– Compared to peers. –to the all season tires. And then you had a chart next
to that with actual winter tires that obviously most of them
get fives because they’re meant for that, right? But people are looking
at the chart going, why would I buy a winter
tire if this all season tire gets a five for
winter traction also? But it’s only for that group. It’s not for that. So we have to put i on
this big universe of it’s still comparable
to other trucks, but I guess the resolution’s
smaller you’re looking at. But you can still
see the difference between the few truck. That’s why we do it. So I guess the
moral of the story is if even if they’re showing
up in different charts, they might actually still
be on the same scale. Like the gas dryers,
electric dryer thing. So that’s why we do it. A lot of stuff is on
a universal scale. And I would argue
two things for Eric. One, I think the rides
of some of these trucks are coming along. They’re getting better. And I think I’ve
shared, my husband drives this 2012 Frontier. It rides horribly. But new trucks, even
new full-sized pickups, they ride very, very well. So that, and they are used
often like passenger cars. They are not
necessarily– and I know we’ve talked about
that they’re loaded, sometimes the ride settles down. But they’re not often loaded. So interesting
question from Eric. So that takes us to our
next question from David. In poor visibility
driving conditions I get a message that my Subaru
Legacy’s EyeSight system is inoperative. Are my non-camera based
systems such as BSM– Blind Spot
Monitoring– and RCTA– Rear Cross Traffic
Alert– still working? Are there any AEB– Automatic Emergency
Braking– systems that work in whiteout
washout conditions? My son is going to college
about five hours away, and while I love the Subaru, I’d
like to have an alternate car to drive him when I know the
visibility will be lousy. So he’s right. The systems are in that
impacted by weather. And I would say you’re not going
to find a car now, a vehicle– new or used– that’s
going to be infallible. It’s actually really
good that they turn off, because they don’t
become a crutch. They don’t become a system
where you set it and forget it. Sort of like we’ve seen as
in commercials and such. And 3M, for example,
is a company that makes a number of products. But one of the things
they’re working on is a film that you
would put over fenders to protect the radar units. And hopefully snow and
ice would slide off of it, that way the
systems would still work. But yeah, the short answer
is no, there’s not a vehicle. Advancements are coming fast and
furious, but not quick enough. So stop. Maybe use it five hours away. Inclement weather take a break. Take a coffee break. Have a self-imposed break
where you clean the sensor off. Because tell you what, ice and
stuff blocks up the window. Well you wrote the story– Well yeah, there’s a great
piece on ConsumerReports.org that I wrote and spoke to
some people about this. And camera washers and
stuff to keep those clear. But yeah, use it as a break. Stop, take a rest
break, clean them off. At least you know that
you’re doing that. But rain can do
it, let alone snow. Right. It’s unfortunate,
because sometimes when you need it the most– because you can’t see– they don’t see either. So I think that’s the rule. If you can’t see, they
probably can’t see either. A camera, or sometimes radar. Yeah. So slow down. It’s a reminder, these are aids. You’re still responsible for
driving that vehicle safely. These things are there to help
you, but they can have issues. And it also shows we’re nowhere
near self-driving cars yet. It brings me right to that. Let’s be honest. It can self-drive in
the good weather only. Well they can’t even self-drive. They worry about
themselves only. But we’re not there yet, no
matter what anyone’s saying. Just a reminder. The advantages are
still real though, regardless of the weather. So last question is from Rob. I’m very interested in
purchasing an Audi Q7, which has no spare tire,
just an air compressor with a fix-a-flat canister. I certainly don’t
want to be stranded on the side of the
highway until a tow truck arrives to tow me to a tire shop
should the fix-a-flat not work. Do you have
statistical information that would indicate
what the probability is of having a flat
tire that is too severe for a fix-a-flat repair? Would you purchase a
vehicle with no spare tire? What do you think, tire guy? Oh man. Inflator kits, they kill me. So to answer his first
question, statistically no, we don’t have any data on that. From my personal
experience actually testing some of
these kits, there’s a million different
ways you can get a flat. And there’s a very
good probability that these are not going
to fix that depending on the type of hole,
what you ran over, if the object’s
still in the tire, if it came back out of the tire. You ruin a sidewall,
you’re done no matter what. They don’t work on
sidewall, right? Yeah. Would I purchase a vehicle
without a spare tire? It would depend on the vehicle. A sports car, you
have to expect this. It’s also not a car you’re
driving your family around in all the time. A big SUV like that, you
have to consider that. And it’s a very good thing that
he’s paying attention to that before he’s purchasing
this vehicle. Now the brand new Q7
does have run flats as a base tire option,
which I believe is the reason why you get the
fix-a-flat canister and a jack. But you can also– and people aren’t going
to probably do this– but you can buy a full-sized
spare and put it in the back. But you’re taking up half
of your luggage space. I What’s the point of that? And share why is the
spare going away? What’s the impetus that we’re
not seeing spares anywhere? It’s as simple as weight. They’re trying to
make cars lighter for fuel economy,
because there’s such pressure on
the manufacturers to make better fuel
economy numbers. And take out a 50, 60
pound, maybe 70 pound tire wheel package
out of the trunk, and you got a little
bit of advantage there. And the inflator
kit in there, it doesn’t weigh obviously
nearly as much. But there’s a good
chance you’re not able to patch the tire
with one of those. There’s cases where
it will, but– Well one of our co-workers– Jeff Bartlett– had that happen
years ago with a Hyundai. So you’re talking economy car,
not going to have run flats. Ripped the sidewalk,
he was stuck. Done. And you’re waiting,
like he says. No one wants to wait
for the tow truck if you’re on a
trip or something. And something like
a Q7, so you’re looking 20, 21, 22 inch wheels. You’re looking at
performance tires. Now replace those tires. Now replace those. The run flat too. Are you going to
be able to find– the trouble is sometimes finding
a run flat in a remote place. So to your point too,
I guess it matters where you think you’re driving. If you’re in a
metropolitan area, you’re probably going to have
an Audi dealer or someone who can get to you quickly. If you’re in a rural
area, maybe not so much. You could be waiting a while. Right. A very good thing though
that he’s paying attention to that going into it. We tell people that when you’re
buying a car, check it out. See what tires come on the car. A spare is not a given anymore. Right, yeah, because it’s not. And see what kind of
tires come on there. They might be outrageous to
replace in the first place, never mind hitting something in
the road and then replace one. Are they hard to use, the kits? The inflator kits? Yeah. No. Well, they’re not,
but they can be. Because sometimes you have to
rotate the tire to get to the– so the wherever the hole
is, if it’s on the bottom, and you’re trying to put
the inflator stuff in there, the rubber might be
held in a position where you can’t plug it anyway. It’s not for everyone. It’s not as simple. Not as simple So
great question, David. Keep them coming. If you’re looking
for information on any of the stuff we talked
about, see the show notes. Videos, questions,
[email protected] That’s going to wrap
it up for this episode. Thanks for listening
thanks for watching, and we’ll see you next time. [MUSIC PLAYING]

100 thoughts on “2019 Kia Niro EV First Impressions; Honda Fixing Its CR-V’s Troubled Engines | Talking Cars #205

  1. Let's no beat around the bush: Honda has not issued an official recall. Their image is more important than the car's reliability. And the fix is a software update, oil change, and extended warranty??? Boy bye! My sister had this issue with a 2018 CRV and she lives in Florida! She traded it in for a 2019 RAV4 hybrid. 40 MPG and she loves it.

  2. I own a 2016 Civic Touring & a 19 CR-V Touring with the 1.5 turbo and have not experienced any problems with either engine.

  3. Checking you lights is easy, even by yourself. I just stop in a plaza and pick an empty space in front of a store which is closed, many store windows have enough reflection to check that all lights are working, I ,then turn the car around to check the reflection of the rear lights. Don't forget to check license plate lights too.

  4. I have a Mercedes Benz B200 (2011) which was not sold in the USA. If any light bulb burns out, the computer tells me which one. I guess this is what a luxury car should have? It has advised me twice and it was very nice to know.

  5. Re Subaru, I will never buy one in Canada as they did not and so not install TPMS! In the USA TPMS is standard. How cheap can Subaru be to save a few dollars? And then what else are they cheaping out on??

  6. I had heard they were going to give you a free oil change and tell you to change it every 3,000 miles.
    I'm glad they're going farther now.
    No Hondas for me now.

  7. The quest for gas mileage hurts car reliability big time. The quest for new safety features and tech does too. #cvtssuck




  11. For those who keep a car over six years, the Honda warranty extension is not sufficient. Gasoline is a solvent, and will likely cause accelerated wear on the bearings, piston rings and walls, etcetera. Bottom line, an engine that should outlast the body, may need a costly rebuild/replacement outside of that meagre warranty extension. No one will detect this additional wear, as you would need complete engine disassembly to detect it. Honda should likely cover internal engine damage for 10 years… not 6.

  12. Had the fix done here in Canada in early November and it did nothing to fix it taking 10++ mins at 40mph+ to warm up

  13. Hyundai and Kia are the same company. They both have the same motors, batteries, controllers and running gear. The Kia is slightly longer and bigger inside than the Hyundai.

  14. Basically, don't expect the same usual engine reliability in the CR-V and Civic. Getting additional warranty coverage and perhaps a fix does not mean it is fixed, it just means they don't want the carry coverage beyond 6 years (although unlimited mileage). So essentially, expect coverage for about 100,000 miles and then you are on your own. Radar AEB systems don't turn off in bad weather. That from Tesla, GM, Ford, Mercedes, BMW, Audi – they all work (but not as well) in bad weather like rain.

  15. I'm a huge Honda loyalist. I've owned over 45 cars in my life, most being Hondas. In my garage right now is a '07 Element SC, a '16 Civic LX and an '18 Ridgeline. On a side note I have owned 4 different S2000s, the pinnacle of Honda engineering. But I'm replacing the leased Civic with a leased Mazda6 Signature. I was thinking an Accord Touring 2.0L but after driving both the Mazda won easily. Part of the decision came down to this issue with oil dilution in the 1.5L. and Honda's reluctance to deal with this potentially worrisome and dangerous design defect.

  16. In my town and province (Québec), you can be sure the police will arrest you only for costly speed limit tickets.

  17. I'm about three months away from buying a 2019 Honda Accord Hybrid and know it has a spare tire well. I am planning on buying the parts to get a spare tire and tools for it.

  18. I have had the oil dilution "fix" applied in November in Canada and the dilution is still as bad as ever. Verified with an oil analysis at my expense. I will not be keeping this vehicle through another winter. Very disappointed in how Honda has handled this.

  19. The on screen icon should alert the driver if the system is active v turned on. Usually green icon it's running.

  20. My cousin has a Fiat with fix-a-flat and his new tire shredded in the desert. Then he discovered NO spare.

  21. No I don't want my EV to have unnecessary vestiges of ICE cars, radiator grills for cars with no radiators, large under hood areas for cars that don't have an engine. Why not redesign the vehicle to take advantage of a different drive train.

  22. love your channel! as for warranties from manufacturers, it's a hit and miss… meaning they decide whether your vehicle has an "issue" or not. very frustrating! I've had horrible experiences with Honda and Mazda.

  23. I do not know where people equate Honda with reliability. Just an FYI: Those days have long passed. I owned a new honda and will never own another.

  24. What, no comments?
    Having owned 3 turbocharged cars I have always changed the synthetic oil every 3000 miles with those engines.

  25. All suv should have spare tires not everyone has tow membership or extra cash to get towed if fuel economy is the issue trim weight somewhere else safety is a concern not hope I have spare tire

  26. I like EVs to look and drive like traditional gas cars, except for the shifter. I like the shifter from the Nissan LEAF, etc… I dont like the traditional hand shifter of gas cars anymore.

  27. No oil problems with my CR-V. I have met dozens of other owners of 2017-19 while waiting for oil changes at the dealership and have never met one person that had a dilution issue. Most of them said they had checked the oil before coming in for service and it was black and at the high end of the marker but that was the level they got it after the last oil change. Nobody has said they smelt gas inside the vehicle.

  28. My '98 Audi A4 had a brake lamp warning indicator and I'm pretty sure my '03 IS300 had it as well. Granted, it was the ONLY part of the A4 that worked, but I remember it going off. There are new cars that don't have it?

  29. Also, CU needs to specify whether an EV uses resistance heat or a heat pump. Makes a huge difference in cold weather.

  30. Mandated features are the DEATH of the affordable car.
    I can tell whether my lights are working or not because I observe whether my night time lighting out front is even or one-sided (bad headlight). I can tell I have a bad brake light bulb b/c when I look in the rear-view mirror at a stop with someone behind me, I can see whether both sides have a bright read light reflecting back off the car behind me.
    Suggest that Jose splurge and buy a car with all LED lighting which nearly never fail, rather than suggest that the GOVERNMENT MANDATE another expense onto every vehicle sold. Please, stop asking for mandated features. END OF AFFORDABLE CARS …

  31. Leasing the Kia Niro EV EX was perfect for our needs and budget. We received the fed tax credit of $7,500 passed onto us by Kia plus we are getting two more California rebates (clean energy project and SCE) that total $3,500. Work provides free level 2 charging and we have a solar home now equipped with a Juicebox Pro 40 level 2 charger. This is our first EV and we weren't sure what to expect or how we would feel about an all electric car but we wanted to give it a go. We love the car, don't have range anxiety (the car is actually getting 260-270 miles in range and some are reporting they are getting closer to 300) and we are sold on electric and will only be driving EVs from now on. It is fun to drive, has good cargo space, and is super comfortable for our 6' and 6'3" frames. One other thing we like about the Niro EV is that Kia left the spare tire area open in the boot and they offer a spare tire kit, which we have ordered for our car. Call me old fashioned but I want a spare in my boot and not a can of goo that may or may not temporarily fix a flat. Love this car and looking forward to 3 years from now and our next EV… the Habeniro?

  32. Honda 1.5t in China gets the recall, Honda gets extended warranty when this all broke out. Honda took 6 months to add the extended warranty in the U.S.

  33. My 2006 and 2012 prius didnt have a spare tire and neither does my nissan leaf 2012 this is nothing new. I just call my tow truck and they get there fast and take me to discount tire.

  34. The discussion on the first question is interesting. It reminded me of something I noticed in my 2008 Elantra while driving in a snowstorm — there’s a spot on the dashboard for a washer fluid light, but per the manual, it’s only equipped with one on Canadian models. Apparently, a washer fluid sensor isn’t required in the U.S., and it’s not worth the added cost to include it. But all the cheap K-cars Chrysler produced in the 80s had them! They seem to have disappeared in the last 20 years, at the same time that reliability has improved and maintenance intervals have become longer, so people aren’t checking under the hood so often. Seems a little incongruous to me.

  35. No sign of trouble with my CR-V. A lot of people are forming negative opinions without basis (or hate Japanese cars or something). I think CR gives great weight to consumer complaints Without investigating, and come down on companies.

  36. CR panel looks so bummed out and oddly somewhat giving Honda a slide while if it was a non Japanese firm, they'd be harder on them.

  37. I'm personally not a fan of weird gear selectors, such as those on the Chevy Bolt or the Toyota Prius. I'll accept removing the shifter lever for a push button system as long as it has the buttons in a vertical standard format (R, N, D, L), instead of the circular knob. Figuring out the menu on the infotainment system is difficult enough without adding complexity/confusion with gear selection also.

  38. A inflater kit? Yeah….Do you know anyone who has ever used one successfully? I have NEVER heard of a tire inflater kit/system that worked!

  39. I have a 2016 Honda Pilot, and it had engine issues. But I had a dishonest dealership servicing it. It wasn’t until I changed dealerships, then the issue got fixed. I will never buy a Honda again.

  40. “I want an EV that feels traditional?” EVs are innovative and not traditional! They will feel different than an ICE car. They don’t sound like they are expert at much. And the Tesla screen is super easy to use and does not break very often.

  41. Hey CR talk to any Tesla owners and most would never consider going ice again. Any time you can you kick Tesla why? Why not be even handed.

  42. I think the better answer for that last question about buying a vehicle without a spare is "NO." It seems that by not giving a spare (or option to buy one) the car manufacturer is saying that saving a few pounds is more important than customer safety. Nobody wants to "feel" stranded or be put in a desperate situation when an emergency happens. Moreover, I believe that the person asking this question understood this and really wanted CR to bolster his or her decision with a definitive answer. So here's my plea to a fellow consumer… Please do not put yourself or your family at risk. There are other "safer" choices. Go "vote" with your dollars.

  43. I have have an 88 Lincoln Town Car with the digital dash and it actually runs a check for headlamps, turnlamps and brake lamps. The beep will drive you crazy until you fix it.

  44. I am a long-time Honda fan, so this engine oil dilution issue surprises me. Worse, however, is a CR-V battery issue that I have witnessed with my neighbor here in Florida. He has been through 5 batteries in 3 years of ownership. The dealer and the company deny that this is a problem, but a survey of the internet reveals that there are a lot of customers reporting frequent dead batteries in CR-Vs. Can you expand on this issue if you are aware of it? Thanks.

  45. Would you put your wife, daughter, etc in a 17 18 CR-V ? Would you risk $30k on one? If the answer is yes I don't need Consumer Reports advise anymore.

  46. So what are GM and WV doing with their small turbo engines that doesn't cause an oil dilution problem?

  47. It's time to get some young people on these panels. I don't want my grandma/grandpa telling me about the future of vehicles.

  48. I agree with Jose about cars not having "burn-out light" warnings. Golly, we have tire pressure sensors – what a joy those are!

  49. Only in some states do dealers include any tax rebates in the lease cost – it's not a universal practice.

  50. The issues with Honda may be surprising in North American but for the rest of the world not first they had major issues eg. steering, previously CVT's, and regular tranny

  51. My 2008 Honda Accord with the 2.4 lt engine burns oil like it’s 1970. The car is out of the eligibility for free repair and it takes thousands of dollars to replace the piston rings!

  52. Fuck consumer report for the obvious lies, FUD and deceptions about Tesla and autopilot. Hope you go bankrupt over this.

  53. A simple way to check rear tail, brake, and turn signals is turn into a parking lot aisle where the store front window is facing your rear, momentarily stop (stop lights) are visible in your rear view mirror, turn on turn signals one at a time, let off brake now you see tail lights total time 5-7 seconds.

  54. Please test EV'S in the winter both charging outside ( not all owners have /use garage ) so the electricity consumption used to warm batteries etc is counted towards the cost for range. Living here in SoCal my range doesn't really vary, however, your location is perfect for long term testing.

  55. We have two smart cars, both obviously w-o spares. Each has over 100k miles and never been stranded with a flat. Except for an accident at the house, so being stranded at home isn't so bad.

  56. As for the cameras/radars I'm very happy that Subaru's eyesight is behind the windshield as compared to hondas accord which has them under the front license plate and I believe Toyota now has a radar the same? Wouldn't take long for those to get snowed in in a storm or light flurry, and when it's safe to use the system again you'll have to pull over and wipe it off

  57. Considering all the advantages of EVs; no oil changes or tune ups, no gas station stops, few brake jobs, less moving parts, etc., but also some disadvantages, could you each say what you think the comparable value is to an ICE vehicle?

  58. I recently got suckered in a 2008 Jeep Patriot, the same comment below applies to multiple/majority in my personal life experience. The same issues exist years later and even after a $1.2 billion fine, ( Mopar, Ford, your vehicle!) Learning this lead to additional knowledge resulting in Mopar’s fine replaced deteriorating highway roads, I’m sure there was a good opportunity for NH all around, flipping the coin in my current circumstances getting a loan for $13,000 with a $3,000 value to which I couldn’t seem to successfully find until I transferred my plate, why wouldn’t the people filing complaints with the BBB, NHDOT, or the loan application process actually going through at this interest, I work hard for my money!

  59. I’ve been driving a bmw i3 BEV for almost 2 years now and I can tell you, it is much more intuitive to drive a none traditional EV as soon as you get used to it.

    Simply put, driving the traditional way is giving a big acceleration and controlling the drive using deceleration (brakes) while one pedal drive of electric cars is more like controlling with acceleration. You say go when you want to go. Whereas in the traditional way, once you said go, you should say stop when you wanna stop. It is much safer and under control the ev way.

    Also in case of EVs like i3 and Tesla with strong regenerative braking and good acceleration, the drive and stop is so linear that you don’t have to learn to adjust your commands to the delay of gears and revs and turbos.

    The biggest problem is the paradigm shift needed to appreciate the joy and safety of one pedal EV drive in comparison to delayed and two or three pedal drive of traditional ice cars.

    Thank you for the great work and keep it up.

  60. I like EV regenerative braking with driver selectable forces. Shifters? I’m good with push button and other smaller formats since newer vehicles shift electronically anyway. Shifters are often in the way. Of course a set of buttons that cover just as much space is silly.

  61. Just a note, there are several manufacturers that indicate when lights are out. VAG does this. My Jetta will light up a picture of a light bulb in the instrument cluster and then tell me which bulb is out under vehicle status. This is very common on European cars.

  62. You people should stop mentioning Tesla out if your mouths. Only Tesla hate comes out.
    Tesla hate speech program.

  63. You asked about what we want in new car instrument interface options. I don’t need the shifter to look like all other shifters and I don’t need buttons everywhere in a car. A single touch screen is just fine as long as it doesn’t stall the car. After you mentioned reboot, I looked up Tesla Screen Fail. It looks like the car still functions 100% while it’s rebooting. I asked my father his take on it and he mentioned that his cars used to stall at lights or were a Craps shoot if they would turn over on the first start. It sounds like there are trade offs to being the first to have technology for sure but if you can do over the air updates, there’s no reason to worry. When my phone glitches, I reboot. You don’t save files anymore because they auto save. People probably when years having to save writing documents. Things improve. It would be weird to have to save a document or even name one. Maybe if you are old you would have a hard time with all this, but the average non-baby boomer is probably just fine with no buttons.

  64. I see a brake light out too often. Sadly, many people don't check. One quick tip is to look in your rear-view mirror when backing up to a window (store) or anything you can see the reflection of the lights on like a wall or garage door. Easy!

  65. Taillights being out can get a person of colour killed. It's most assuredly not a trivial issue CR

  66. Inflator kits are terrible and one thing you guys didn't mention is that inflator kits DO NOT last forever. They have a limited use life (they go bad) where a spare tire does not have a limited use life. If your vehicle has a well for a spare, it is smart to buy a spare on your own and place it in the spare tire well.

  67. Yeah, very disappointing this Honda issue is and mostly their reaction in not doing a recall, given how well Toyota has done w/ recalls, where it appears they do, when in even slightest doubt, do as recall. Gas smell went out with the '70's, 80's and maybe a few early 90's cars– this is so unfortunate for the great Honda ppl. Very disappointed, and glad i recommended toyota to friends in past ten years. Also, even more importantly, Honda is hurting itself by not doing as a recall because it creates ambiguity for resale value and lower resale value, because secondary mkt values relative non-ambiguity in quality, so a recall creates a virtual warranty for an unprecedented type problem for this previously stellar quality engine maker. Again, really big deal actually for Honda image and they are continuing their pattern of strategic mistakes they've made over the past ten years.

  68. Re 'brake light out' warning lights not being required. I disagree w/ the gentleman here, strongly even, because as the woman speaker said, lights are basic, or i'd say fundamental. Furthermore, many states have no car inspections, so owners will go years before learning a tail light is out. That is nuts, and the car makers know it, and the car makers who know it are the cheaper car makers with smaller less bright tail lights, where it's even more important that at least two work out of the three. Again, along lines of what she said, lights and head restraints are basic, and AEB and other automatic highly complex automated safety features are great, but not to the expense of basic safety like decent headlight capacity/usefulness. Finally, often it takes a police officer to inform owner of a light out, and that pull-over is itself a safety hazard in more than one way. I think this is indeed very low hanging fruit. As electrical systems get more sophisticated, a decent quality light-out indicator would be dirt cheap to install by car makers.

  69. Since only a TINY percentage of the population drives anywhere near 200 miles in an average day, the whole range anxiety thing is just really overblown. In reality, the vast majority of people drive less than a quarter of that distance, and if they happen to need to go on a long range trip, there are still plenty of quick charge stations around the US (and in most industrialized places around the world) to get you there with a relatively short delay. For 95% of the population an EV is the ideal vehicle for them: They're quiet, they don't leak, they don't smell, they don't have anywhere near the number of moving parts to fail as an internal combustion engine vehicle (ICE): No hoses, radiators, fuel or oil pumps, alternators, belts, etc. And even the brakes last far longer because regenerative braking does most of the stopping in most cases. The long term cost of ownership of EVs is far less than an ICE vehicle both in terms of "fueling" cost and repairs and maintenance.

  70. With the tax credit, this puts the Niro right at the same price as the Tesla Standard Range Plus and the upcoming Model Y (before incentives). It will be interesting to see how it goes.

  71. Wanting an EV to be "as traditional as possible"? This is 2019! This reminds me of folks who still lament the iPhone because it doesn't have a keyboard. 
    "Traditional" to me: needs oil changes, doesn't automatically adjust cabin temps/wipers/mirrors/seats, requires weekly trips to the gas station, has various hoses, belts and oxygen sensors that need replacing, has non-intuitive tiny screens that are never updated, dealers, smells, doesn't have warnings if you're about to hit something, doesn't have automatic braking, can't drive itself at all or have a neural net, doesn't have intuitive voice controls, requires keys, doesn't unlock when you approach or lock when you walk away, doesn't have pin to unlock option, can't turn on and send you an alert or record video if it's getting stolen or vandalized, vibrates and makes a racket even at a red light, doesn't accelerate in a speedy or linear way, requires new brakes regularly and costs $50 a week to fuel instead of $10.

  72. Motoring journalisms is always going to be a case of ‘jack of all trades and masters of none’ . Even owners struggle these days.

  73. KIA is making great products. The public will start catching on. CR…do you also not like any of the Honda’s with push button shifting? That’s even more of a distraction. You have to push a button and not simply move a control right or left. At least this is a little dial and it’s easy to get used to.

    You folks are famous for your reliability ratings, though many of your personal cars and car preferences are from the most unreliable manufacturers.

  74. Funny, no one is concerned about the Blinker. The Blinker is also super concerning if it's out. You only have 2 and NO backup. Like the brake lights. Not knowing when someone is going to turn. Is dangerous.

  75. Ya think they could just out a little heater to belt the snow or ice on the sensors. But they could still get dirty, Unfortunately.

  76. As far as no spare tire over the course of 20 years of driving I can only think of one time a tire wouldn’t air up to get me home. That was actually a tire I let get way beyond its wear limit. I would t recommend an Audi anyway but no spare is the least of ur worries. Learn how to use a temporary plug and throw that fix a flat shit in the garbage or sell it on eBay. The people at the tire shop will charge u less and like u more.

  77. There are characteristics of all EVs that are there to enhance the driving experience. Regen braking can add range on your drive. How many ICE vehicles can add range on a drive without a pitstop?
    The cost is higher, but have you considered factoring in / comparing the service and maintenance?

  78. If I am looking at a pre-owned 2017 CRV, how would I know if there is an issue or if Honda has made any updates/fixes? This situation makes me less Incline to look at 2017 or 2018 CRVs.

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