4ocean explains . . . kind of
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Hi. This video is a follow-up to the one I made a while ago called, “Is the 4ocean bracelet a scam?” If you haven’t watched that video in full, you should probably do so now, or else you might not understand some of the points I make in this one. Anyway, on July 11th, someone from 4ocean left a comment on my video providing answers to a few of the questions I raised. That comment is pinned under the video, so you can read it for yourself, if you like. Here, I’ll just summarize the most salient points from it. One, the founders of 4ocean have each taken only 0.7% or revenue in total compensation, meaning 98.6% of revenue is being re-invested in 4ocean’s mission. And the owners are going to submit their individual tax returns to the Better Business Bureau to verify these numbers. Two, the Trash Tracker on their website is far ahead of bracelet sales, meaning they’ve actually cleaned up more than one pound for each bracelet sold. Three, the explanation for the mysterious Ocean Plastic Recovery Vessel is that it’s just not ready yet. They’re tied up with modifications and certifications, but they still have great hope for the vessel in the future. So, if those points are explanation enough for you, you can stop watching this video right now, maybe click “Dislike” on your way out, but if you’re dying to hear my take on them, then here we go. We’ll start by talking a bit about that income. Only taking 0.7% of revenue is pretty impressive, I must say. I saw some comments below the 4ocean comment saying: No. No. The point was never just the absolute sum of money they’ve taken. The point is, indeed, the proportion. What percentage is going to the mission, what percentage is going to the owners? And if they’re really each only taking 14 cents for every 20-dollar bracelet sale, that is pretty damn good. However, I’m not sure that figure of 0.7% should be taken at face value, because I think it’s possible that 4ocean’s owners have only taken that much in salary to date, but there remains a large allocation of profit for them which they could distribute to themselves at a later date. I’m not totally certain of that. I did some research into how LLCs can distribute profit to their owners, and it’s still a bit fuzzy to me. If you’re more educated on that subject, please leave a comment below. If your comment is good, I’ll pin it to the top. Anyway, I’m not making an accusation here. I’m only suggesting that these numbers of 0.7% and 98.6% may not be telling the whole story. And it appears 4ocean isn’t planning to tell the whole story, because they say here: I’ve seen this same line from them in some other places, like on this TrustPilot page, and I find it kind of odd and evasive. I mean, I get it. As a privately held company, you’re not legally required to disclose financial information, but . . . you could, couldn’t you? And I think they should. I think they should not only tell us how much salary the founders have drawn, I think they should show us exactly where the money goes in the organization, kind of like Ecosia does. And I think they should do this not in order to prove that they are saints, or something, but simply in order for consumers, like you and me, to be able to make an informed decision about whether or not to support them with a 20-dollar purchase. Now, let me provide a comparison to illustrate what I mean by “informed decision.” Last week, I bought this bottle of Bowmore single malt scotch. Now, I don’t feel the people running Bowmore need to be transparent with their financial information, because when I bought this bottle, I could also look at bottles of Laphroiag, Lagavulin, Glenmorangie, Macallan, loads of other scotches. I could compare prices and even sample some of them. Plus, Bowmore is not making any promise to me, explicit or implicit, about anything beyond providing a tasty dram of whisky. I felt I had all the information I needed to decide whether or not the $40 I paid for this bottle was money well spent. And I don’t feel that’s the case with 4ocean. As far as I know, there’s not a lot of competition in the “selling-merchandise-to-clean-up-ocean-plastic market,” and so, unless 4ocean releases their financial information in full, there’s really no way to know if $20 for one pound of plastic is reasonable or a rip-off. Of course, 4ocean now says it’s not exactly $20 for just one pound of plastic, because the Trash Tracker is far ahead of bracelet sales. Again, though, what’s the full story? How many bracelets have been sold? Does this number represent ten times the number of bracelet sales? Two times? One and three-eighths times? I think the exact number matters. Phrasing like “far ahead of” is wide open to interpretation. Now, 4ocean has said they will be releasing more updates and specifics on these questions. and I’ll be interested to see those. But I’ve got to say, as I worked on the previous video, and as I saw people’s reactions to it, and as I thought more about 4ocean, I only became more skeptical, and now, I find it kind of hard to trust anything they say, because they’ve demonstrated that they are quite willing to make misleading claims. I want to walk you through three of those. The first misleading claim comes in their main ad, and some of their other literature, in which they say this: [voice of Alex Schulze] “. . . employing captains and crews seven days a week to clean our oceans and coastlines.” “We’ve operated out of 27 different countries.” Now, the reason they’ve included that claim in their ad, obviously, is to bolster their credibility, and make you think: “Damn, 27 countries . . . ” “These guys are really serious. They’re making a global mission out of it.” If you take the time to actually look at their website, though, you’ll see they only have facilities in Port-au-Prince, Haiti; Boca Raton, Florida; and Bali, Indonesia. So, that’s three countries. What about the remaining 24? Well, unless they’re keeping some of their operations top-secret, then that number is also counting volunteer events they’ve held in Ireland, Mexico, and other countries. Yeah, a volunteer event is nice, but I’m sorry, 4ocean, to me, hosting a one-day cleanup event—or hell, even a one-week cleanup event— does not count as “operating out of” that country. It counts as visiting that country and holding an event. I mean, I could tell you that I lived in Hong Kong. For . . . four days. But I was *living* while I was there, right? I mean, are you suggesting that I wasn’t alive while I was in Hong Kong? Asshole? Now, the second misleading claim is one that we’ve touched on before: the great, big Ocean Plastic Recovery Vessel. So now, 4ocean tells us, it’s just not ready yet. Well, then, what the hell were they doing eight months ago making videos and talking it up like it was ready to change the world? Pretty misleading, right? And to me, it’s not just an innocent whoopsy-daisy, like: “Oh, we thought it was ready, but we ran into a snag.” Because, just like the 27 countries claim, they were using the ship to bolster their credibility. I mean, it’s right here on their homepage, even now, And I can tell you, when I saw that after first watching their ad, and before I had taken the time to think more critically about their company, I thought: “Damn, they’ve got this big ship going out and everything? That’s pretty impressive.” They even mention the OPR vessel in this comment from February of this year. Now, we know at that time, the OPR vessel wasn’t operational, and 4ocean must have known it wasn’t operational, So, if this comment isn’t lying, then it’s pretty damn close to it. And then, the marketing materials for the OPR vessel contain an even more misleading claim, repeated several times, which is that the ship will prevent 90% of plastic pollution from reaching the ocean. They say that in this video: “They developed a plan to eliminate around 90% of the plastic currently entering the ocean.” And then they say it again in this one: “That’s why we’re launching the Ocean Plastic Recovery Campaign.” “It will end 90% of the world’s ocean plastic pollution forever.” That is an absurd claim, particularly so since at the time they said it, they didn’t even know if the ship was capable of doing anything at all, but even if the ship had been fully operational, to prevent 90% of plastic pollution from reaching the ocean, they would have to deploy a fleet of those things, operating 24 hours a day, at the massive mouths and deltas of the Yangtze River, the Yellow River, the Pearl, the Mekong, the Ganges, the Indus, the Niger, the Nile, and more. That . . . is never going to happen. And 4ocean knows it’s never going to happen. So, the claims they made about the OPR vessel are really irresponsible, and I think they should be pretty damaging to anyone’s trust in their organization. Finally, there’s a misleading claim that’s implicit in nearly all of 4ocean’s marketing, and is make explicit in this video, entitled “How can a single bracelet save the ocean?” “How can a single bracelet clean the ocean? Then there’s a bunch of stuff about 4ocean, and then this: “So how can a single bracelet clean the ocean?” “One pound at a time.” How can a single bracelet clean the ocean? It can’t. 4ocean’s bracelet is not saving the ocean. It’s pretty misleading to even use the phrase “cleaning the ocean.” In reality, 4ocean is cleaning an infinitesimal fraction of the ocean. Their number of 5.whatever million pounds of trash in two and a half years sounds pretty good, until you remember that the ocean is estimated to have 330 billion pounds of trash in it, meaning 4ocean has cleaned up 1/66000 of it. Now, I’m sure there will be some clever commenters who point out: True. It is. But then, I also haven’t made any recent videos asking: “How can a single Danye Har save the ocean?” So, I feel that 4ocean’s misleading claims make them an untrustworthy organization, and I want to reiterate here, the point is not “they are untrustworthy, therefore they are evil.” The point is simply, they are untrustworthy, therefore I feel they haven’t earned anyone’s $20. If you disagree with me on that point, and you think I’m just a jealous hater bashing a great company doing a good thing, then there is a very powerful way for you to ensure that my bashing doesn’t amount to much. Buy a bracelet. Sign up for 4ocean’s monthly subscription plan. Buy their whole 2018 collection for *cough* $240 I’m sure that your financial support will easily outweigh any negative effects they’ve suffered as a result of this bald, bespectacled YouTuber’s rantings. And 20 years from now, when the ocean is sparkling clean, and these two guys are being celebrated as the greatest environmental heroes of the 21st century… you can laugh at me all you want. …scale that to the most highest impact places in the world, where all the plastic is pouring into the ocean` And you think you can eradicate it, because 90% comes— With the help of our customers, absolutely. All right, guys, we are 4ocean, and it’s our job to clean the ocean. Let’ go! Welcome aboard! One pound at a time.

100 thoughts on “4ocean explains . . . kind of

  1. BTW, 4ocean has just released a video update on the OPR vessel: https://www.instagram.com/tv/B0MDhYeF7tP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

    In the video, they offer some clarification for the “90% of plastic pollution” claim. They say that, obviously, the OPR vessel alone can’t stop 90% of ocean plastic pollution from reaching the ocean. Instead, it was their intention to point out that 90% of ocean plastic pollution comes from river mouths, and they hope the vessel will have an impact on that.

    Personally, I think that’s some politician-level backpedalling. There’s really no ambiguity to the claim they make at 7:40. They say, “it will end 90% of the world’s ocean plastic pollution forever.” Same goes for the claim at 10:42. If there’s some ambiguity there that I missed, please point it out to me.*

    Now, let me say just one more time, this video represents my criticisms of 4ocean. I don’t think I’ve misrepresented their company, and I think my criticisms are pretty solid. Nevertheless, you have every right to disagree with them. For example, maybe you think it’s not misleading of them to use the phrase “operated out of” to refer to a country where they’ve held a volunteer event. If so, fine. Buy a bracelet, tell your friends and family about 4ocean, make your own video pointing out everything wrong in mine. Ultimately, people will decide for themselves whether 4ocean deserves their support.

    *The video has been taken down from 4ocean’s channel. Lest you think I took that clip out of context, here’s how the full exchange went.

    Reporter: What’s your vision? I mean, I know it’s like gangbusters, but . . .

    Alex Schulze: No, of course, this is the proof of concept.

    Andrew Cooper: Keep bringing this concept — prove the concept first, like Alex just said. Once it’s proven and we’ve got our systems and processes in place, scale that to the most highest [sic] impact places in the world, where all the plastic is pouring into the ocean.

    Reporter: And you think you can eradicate it, because 90% comes—

    Andrew: With the help of our customers, absolutely.

  2. A better solution will be an alternative plastic not derived from petroleum. Hopefully this inventor Marshall Medoff has found a possible solution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9nXxumzqqI

  3. Simple, don’t buy a 20$ bracelet and instead use the 20$ to buy energetic drinks and drive into the ocean and clean up 50 pounds of trash.

  4. If they're rich as can be it wouldn't bother me one bit, as long as they're doing something for the ocean. And inspiring people as well.

  5. I saw one of their smaller boats docking in Boca and asked "hey can I help you guys out?" they said – "go buy a bracelet" so much for 4myhelp

  6. The 4Ocean dudes look like they say "bro" a lot. And also high five a lot. I believe 0.7 percent is fine, but we can't assume the 98.6 remaining percent is all for the cleaning effort. There are investors who will want dividends, and a lot of money can be hidden away in trust funds and tied up in assets, like property. So, even if the main goal is money, they are helping clean the ocean no matter how small. But, instead of paying $20, you can easily collect 1 pound yourself next time you go to the beach. In fact, ANY body of water will do, especially rivers, streams, and lakes that lead to the ocean.

  7. 4Ocean cannot clean the ocean, simple mathematics disproves their efforts.
    We need government and an international coalition to come together to face the problem head on.

  8. In my opinion it does not matter how much money the founders of 4Ocean earn, because they came up with a realy great idea to earn (Who knows how much) money and they are slowly cleaning up the ocean while doing so. I Think that although they may earn a lot of money they are still doing a good thing.

  9. I look at it this way take my $20 clean the ocean
    I don't care how much money they make there a business provide proof there cleaning the ocean if that checks out all good im happy.

    Everyone needs to make a cut of money to live.

    I feel like your goal is to rule out if they are doing what there saying.
    They are cleaning the ocean i dont care what u say later

  10. We have a great saying for that in my country: "Links lullen rechts zakken vullen", roughly translate to 'talking left and filling your pockets right' (left/right in a political sense).

  11. To get an insight into the success of 4Ocean's business it's insightful to take a look at the scale of their ad spend. They currently spend about $6000 per DAY on Facebook ads. This has added up to over $3million over the past year just on Facebook Ads alone. (They also advertise on national TV, Google and numerous other places).
    https://www.facebook.com/ads/library/?active_status=all&ad_type=all&country=US&q=4ocean&view_all_page_id=1852520761657982

    A news interview they gave last year seemed to indicate they'd sold 1million bracelets in their first 18 months of operation. An impressive figure for sure, and it's probably a good bet they're continuing to grow and have done the same again in the year since. That would equate to an annual revenue of $20million. Very impressive for plastic bracelets!!!

    So, where does this go? Well, this month they're promoting a partnership with Monterey Bay Aquarium. You can bet the ads with lots of pictures of cute sea otters will lead to a bumper month in sales. Monterey Bay Aquarium receives $25k out of this 'partnership', which is nice and all, but that's a 'drop in the ocean' compared to the upside for 4Ocean.

    To be fair, it's nice to see the awareness they are generating around plastic pollution, and there's no doubt they are doing some good work to recover trash from waterways. It looks like they have people on payroll, and it looks like they're using this capital to expand their capabilities…. but as you note in your video, it's all very hard to tell.

    Some might call this a scam, but I think you also have to admit…. it's marketing genius!

  12. This video (and the first one) say a lot about the world we live in now, organizations try do do good, but it’s so rare they are constantly called out and called liers, even if 20$ isn’t worth one pound of trash, it is still more trash out of the ocean. If you don’t want to pay 20$ to help, go down to your local beach, park, or hiking trails. I’m probably not going to buy the bracelet, but it’s for the people who don’t have the time or strength do do the job themselves. Also, the more money the business gets, the cheaper, and more efficient the job is done. Even if only a portion of the money is directly cleaning the oceans, that full 20$ is being used to a full extent.

  13. It doesn't matter the real criminals still don't pay to have their plastic picked up. Just sell more plastic and never pay for the trash they created and were paid for.

  14. I was motivated to check information online about the work of 4Ocean. What they say they have achieved does not make to much sense to me. They say they have collected "a total of 6,465,749 lbs of trash off the oceans in less than 2 years." Floating garbage of course. Lets assume the hypothetical case, as an exercise, that it was the most common, which are the 20-ounce PEP type plastic bottles used for water, soft drinks, etc.
    Check this:
    1.- These bottles weigh 0.74 ounces approx, meaning that 1 Lb equals 22 bottles
    2.- If we multiply 6,465,749 Lb by 22 = 142,246,478 bottles collected from the sea… huge claim…Look at the next thing.
    3.- A 40 foot shipping container has a nominal volumetric capacity for a total of 60,000 bottles (crushed, dented, broken, normal, etc)= 2,345 Lb = 2,371 units of 40’ shipping containers approx equivalent claimed to have been removed by 4Ocean, translated into 23 football fields, 7’10” height, OR a Cargo Vessel Panamax type (google it) fully loaded with 40’ containers of trash, in less than 2 years (https://4ocean.com/cleanups/)
    Sounds possible?

  15. So Danye, have you donated all profits from your videos to ocean cleanup? Please disclose your full financials. Since I'm sure you're actually doing SOMETHING, you won't have any problem proving it right?

    I fully understand being critical. However, I also understand raising awareness of a huge problem is a win all by itself. You're a smart guy, I'm sure you can do better. So tell us, what's your plan, describe why aren't you already executing on it, and then, since 1 lb at a time isn't good enough, what's the overall impact scale of your solution?

  16. Easy to be drawn in by their bracelets, (first that appears on their website), however, their financial records demand transparency. The 4ocean vessel is so clean and freshly painted…has it really gone out to sea? Did not purchase a "misleading" bracelet, after following their website,: an environmental group that is for PROFIT?….One pound of trash for $20; I can and will do that within less than 2 hours. Time to come clean.

  17. I'm doing a project for my school where I'm going to talk to the entire school and tell them about 4 ocean. Like you said they are a 4profit company but they cleaned 100,000 pounds of trash in the first year. now they have been doing it for like three years and they have removed about 4.5 MILLION pounds of trash. I'm hoping that the founders receive my email and consider coming to my school to talk about this. If they say yes I will ask some of your questions, and report back to you. when I watched your first video I showed my principal and now im going to show him this. If 4Ocean is a scam they still have cleaned out so much trash. And when they said that 90% of the trash in our ocean can end forever. they ment 90% of that trach is entering through river mouths. they meant the hope they can have an impact on that 90%. It was alittle confusing at first but please consider pinning this comment because I want everyone to realize this.

  18. To me the biggest question remains: how much plastic did they actually remove from the environment? BBB accreditation is just bought; they won't verify this. I'd be surprised if they even collected 10% of the 6 million pounds they claim they collected. And then, is this wet or dry? Is it all kinds of waste or is it just plastic? Was it actually collected on a beach or on a landfill 100 miles inland? Danye, it would be great if you can ask 4ocean to release their collection records!

  19. Who's to say your not making this video to get more publicity for yourself? Not saying you are, but its hard for anyone on the outside of someone's brain to know their reasoning. Plus I'm jealous I'm not making money from YouTube 🙂 We really just need more companies like them, both non-profit and for profit. I think the bracelet is a great strategy business wise, it will catch on more than a documentary or book and has potential to become more popular faster. I feel like the 1lb thing is more like a catch phrase and a bare minimum. Of course they are doing way better than that. I'm fine with them making a ridiculous income if they are doing good for the world. Not many people can say they like their job, or that they feel like they are giving back to the community with their job and enjoy it. The ship is a good idea for multiple reasons, huge tax write off, help do more good. (technically their sentence said "in the water" and not operational). By no means am I saying we don't have to investigate further into the company before supporting them though. I agree its good to do your research.

  20. Just out of curiosity how much do they make in revenue? With everyone now trying to promote less pollution they did pick the right time to start this business.

  21. 4 Ocean has the haunting ring of Don Lapre "Making Money Secrets" Infomercials from the 90's which didn't work, were not credible and sounded like a scam right for the first infomercial air date … Don Lapre ended up committing suicide in the end after his scams caught up with him and destroyed him lol…
    I do think these are all valid points you bring up about 4 Ocean, they bring something that is an environmental problem that concerns everyone .. brings out the smoke and mirrors, the big fancy ship and the great looking guys .. all the glitz and glamour … but no one really sees the underlying reasons because they keep it hidden … Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention Danye … Love the videos !

  22. Then you all bunch of haters, typing stupidities, get up your asses and go clean up the oceans for $0 money. You will probably satisfy the rest that do even less Jack shit. Shm, always raining on the parade.. Suckers!

  23. Okay, I do not know you, but I just going to through this out there. You are pissed you did not come up with the idea. I think they made a mistake responding to you video.

  24. There's something about those two I just don't believe, they just don't seem bright enough to be pulling this off (whether it's a working business OR a scam). It's like a PR company went looking for a couple of cool jock buff types to look sexy (to some) and suck in lot's of impressionable young girls, surely their biggest target audience.

    Also, the big flaw in this whole thing seems to be missed – to help clean up disposable plastic in the ocean, you buy…. a disposable plastic bracelet?!

  25. Who tf cares if its a scam bro they r cleaning the oceans and bracelet helps found for advance machinery to help them with cleaning up bro, this is the type of guy to be an astronaut and still think the earth is flat

  26. It is true that 4ocean should not have said that their bracelets "save" the ocean. However, as a singular company that is only 2 years old, 1 pound every bracelet or 1/66,000 of the worlds rubbish in the ocean IS MUCH MORE THAN YOU'VE EVER DONE.
    Just kidding.
    But seriously, at this stage, every action and every little step along the way of actually "saving" the environment, is important and useful and should not be pushed aside because one singular pair of young Americans could not put together a global effort to eradicate ocean rubbish.
    But, true, they are hyping themselves up too much. But capitalism…

  27. So the fuck what if they take all profit …theyre cleaning up our garbage we dump in the ocean fucking the planet up…long as they pay their workers

  28. Who cares what you think. Why don't you show us your financials. How much do you make shitting on other people's hard work? You're a weasel with a pencil neck

  29. Why don't you focus on the pounds of trash that are getting taken out of the ocean instead of focusing on how much money these guys are making which seems to be your only concern? are you worried about the ocean or are you worried about somebody making more money than you? Jealous much?

  30. Why are you so angry with 4ocean? Are you that mad that you paid $20 for a bracelet, or there is any other reason that you are not talking? It seams very odd for somebody to be so upset about a company that is doing exactly what they said they would do.

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  32. These two guys have still done astronomically more to clean up oceans than any derp complaining on here… they are entitled to make money on this endeavor. If you dont want to support them, fine, but for the love of all thats good, please at the very least do your part.

  33. In the uk a company must inform every one to there financial takes and salaries for every member of staff so they should so people can actually trust their product and their mission

  34. 4ocean offers the bracelet and 1 pound of plastic removed from the ocean for $20. As long as they keep their end of that deal, I don't see any ethical problem with this offer, which you initially agreed to. As long as they are removing the agreed upon amount of plastic from the ocean, why should they be obligated to show you exactly how much money they are making? They could be pocketing $10 from every $20 and using volunteer labor to do so and this would still be more ethical than a lot of business out there.

    I think you are just pissed they got you for $40, I probs would be too 😛

  35. Hey Danye I respectfully disagree 4Ocean is still doing good things even if they are scammers, but I what to grow up in a world that is beautiful and clean so if 4Ocean is scamming us so be it.

  36. Brilliant exposé of a sham. I feel like such a melt buying two of these bracelets. So meaningless. Thank you for your critique. I’ll make sure the bracelets are recycled – I certainly won’t be wearing them. If only they had been as transparent as their glass beads…
    Both graduates of Florida Atlantic University business school too..
    I wish I’d done my research! Cheers Danye!

  37. Wait wait wait wait

    Shut the fuck up

    How are you complaining about the bracelet if you read what it said

    Bought it

    Then got what it said you would get.

    And now your bitching that it’s not what you want????

    Tf

    And stop botching about this boat. Like they are trying to figure it out.

    They have tens of millions to work.

    This isn’t going to all come together in months or maybe even years.

    This is something that’s going to come together over a long time.

    Again with the bracelet.

    It what way are they not trust worthy?

    They said one bracelet equals a pound.
    Then they said it’s over that.

    So I guess your right

    They are doing more than they have to.

    What pieces of shit.

  38. Cmon bruh. You should just organize your own to help clean our earth rather criticizing and talking shits. Youre fucking nonsense. Instead talking shits too much. Get the fuck out of your house and help maintain cleanliness you dumb bald headed shit head. Why people like exist. Fuck you

  39. So as I see it.
    We just need 66,000 times more people to buy the bracelet to clean the ocean.
    Problem solved.
    And by making videos like this it won't happen.
    You're a very intelligent guy, hope you used it wisely.

  40. Depending on their size they have to disclose their balance sheet. There you can see in the equity, how much money is ready to be withdrawn to the owners.

  41. The octopus bracelet arrived and it had a postcard with it with an image of an octopus and the caption “masters of disguise.” All I could think was that 4ocean are masters of disguise…..

  42. The fact you waste this much time worrying about someone else’s business is pretty fucking stupid. You are in idiot who the f cares there pulling plastic out of the ocean. While you sit in a house make videos. And probably get fucked in the ass

  43. You must be fun at parties…. Who honestly cares man? If they do good work, then why the vendetta?
    Your argument about them being the only name in the game is absurd. That alone does not give you the right to see finances. They seem to have humored you and released things they did not have to, yet you seem to demand more. All to try to capture the original views of your first video, right?
    Honestly, this is just ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But to demonize them for trying to good work and make some money at it? That's just sad man.

  44. i don’t disagree with any of the points in this video, i’m not saying that they are invalid. i do think, though, that there is no harm being done by buying a bracelet. they aren’t harming anyone, and they aren’t doing anything evil with your money. it might not be exactly what they say, but it isn’t a blatant lie.

  45. If the OPR is intended to sit at one of the mouths of a river to catch pollution, wouldn't it have been way easier to just build something in-land in the river to catch pollution before it ever hits the ocean?

  46. So there's a company similar to this called. They sell bracelets and planting trees, like 1 bracelet =2 trees planted any way you know if they are legit?

  47. Any politically liberal marketing (saving the world, shirtless surfer dudes, recycled bracelets)- is straight brainwashing and misleading notion after misleading notion. Liberals buy on emotion, so 4ocean has little needed logic because 90% of their customer base will not use critical thinking, they are in the religion of saving the world

  48. You have to start somewhere to clean the ocean. You can just blink your eyes and say ocean trash leave the ocean now. It’s not gonna happen. The amount of trash they cleaned out of the ocean makes a huge difference.

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