Is your MTB too heavy? Probably not

Look familiar? We torture tested this Walmart
Mongoose back in October, and since then I’ve made a few little improvements. Even the front
wheel is straight now, thanks to the highly malleable nature of steel rims. And no, that
is not a Rockshox suspension fork. The reason I busted out the Walgoose is so
we can do an experiment on weight. I get a lot of comments from people who think their
bike is too heavy. For example, they’ll say, “I’m trying to wheelie, but I can’t
lift the front wheel because my bike is too heavy.” I’m going to take a wild guess
and say they’re not talking about a beautiful downhill bike with a double crown fork. No,
more likely these individuals are riding something similar to this Walgoose. While they probably
could benefit from a nicer bike, I’m not so sure it’s the weight that’s preventing
them from improving. At 34 pounds, the Walgoose is only about 2
pounds heavier than my full suspension. To do a proper test, we need to get it a little
closer to 40 pounds, to match the weight of the beastliest department store bikes. My
idea is to pack the handlebars, seatpost, and seat tube with paver base. To prevent
the sand from getting into the bottom bracket, I’m using a carefully measured piece of
terrycloth, precisely rammed into the seat tube with a calibrated broomstick. As you
can see, this is not an exact science. I’m also adding this water bottle, since
it doesn’t really throw the bike off balance. After all this the total weight is just under
39 pounds. I expected more to be honest, but this is still very heavy for a small trail
bike. We’re still well within downhill bike territory, but this is not that. Let’s take
the Walgoose out to the streets and see how it performs. Well, not much has changed since the last
time I rode this bike. It feels like a Walgoose. Of course, it’s no problem for me to wheelie
this bike, and even get up into a manual, although I can’t really balance for long.
I was even able to bunny hop it on to this trailer first shot. As expected, bike handling
has a lot more to do with technique than weight does. Also, when we’re talking about bike handling
it’s important to compare the weight of the bike to the weight of the rider. Based on this, the Walgoose weighs about 25%
what I do. For a 200 pound rider, a 50 pound bike would hinder them in a similar way. If
you weigh 100 pounds, a 25 pound bike would be similarly difficult to manage. So based on this test, a bike 25% of your
body weight isn’t going to outright stop you from doing anything. You probably won’t
be winning any races, but it will most certainly not prevent you from doing wheelies or bunnyhops. This test was interesting but I want to have
some more fun. Time to get creative. I’m pretty sure that pumping the tires full
of water would make this bike prohibitively heavy. I figured I could submerge the base
of this bike pump in water to do this, but I was wrong. The entire thing needs to be
underwater for it to work so I can’t just use a container in my yard. It’s over 90 degrees today, so this is actually
a nice break after throwing this heavy bike around. The show must go on though. Let’s do another weigh in and take this
piece of crap for a ride. At 48.5 pounds, or 22 kilograms, the Walgoose now weighs 1/3
what I do. That’s significantly more than the Ebike I tested last week, and well within
the realm of the heaviest downhill bikes. This time, we’re gonna set out by car. Something
tells me that I’m not going to be riding this bike home. Very surprisingly, these tires don’t feel
all that much different filled with water—that is until you try to accelerate or lift the
front end. I can barely wheelie this bike now, and manuals are hopeless. It’s a known
fact that the weight of your wheels, or spinning weight, has a much bigger impact on performance
relative to frame weight. Since the weight we added is in the wheels, it’s particularly
effective in making this bike feel sluggish. Still, I can get the front end up. 360’s anyone? Not on this bike, not here.
I would need a much bigger jump for this, and even then I’m not sure what the outcome
would be. After bending the rear wheel, and bending it back, I decided to scale back on
my ambition and try a 180. Well, that’s the end of our test. This time it’s not
going to bend back. While this test was more just for fun, it
does show that bike weight is a pretty poor excuse for not being able to wheelie, or bunny
hop. Usually, it comes down to practice. Some people get the hang of tricks and techniques
quickly, while others need some time. If you have a cheap bike or heavy bike it may make
you frustrated, but it’s no reason to give up. If you can get the hang of things on a
Walgoose, just imagine what a beast you’ll be on more responsive bike with better parts. As for my Walgoose, this was its last ride.
Before I get rid of it for good, I need to remove anything of value. There we go. Thanks
for riding with me today, and I’ll see you next time.

100 thoughts on “Is your MTB too heavy? Probably not

  1. Nigga your a grown ass man you have way more strength then those 10-13 yr old kids that were commenting that theirs bikes were heavy

  2. I think geometry makes a big difference too. My old 24 inch rear wheel big hit could wheelie forever but then some other bikes are very hard to balance, like you really have to hit the sweet spot.

  3. seth is right it is all skill im 11 I weigh 110 pounds and my iron horse weighs 60 pounds I can bunny hop and wheelie it

  4. Guys it is about the weight! I had a 15,5 kg BERGSTEIGER after that I got myself a Giant with 11,5 kg it lifts super fast and wheels like a dream

  5. Hey, you managed to get it up to the weight of my Fat Bike!!!!!!!! Yeap, a Coyote Skid Row 17" weighs in at 21.5 kilos. Time to go tubeless methinks!

  6. I'm not complaining about heavy bikes, I have three heavy bikes and I keep my shift gears in last. My question is can you make a video about hitting next lvl.6 shift gears & heavier stronger restraining chains for velocity

  7. You can fill the tires with a hose with normal pressure. Just connect the air pump tube into your garden hose and it will fill up in no time, that's what my uncle does to fill his tractor tires with water 😀

  8. What about bike size? My dad just gave me his old GT backwoods hardtail from when he used to ride. It's a decent bike but he's 6'2 and I'm 5'10 I'm wondering if it's not the weight maybe the bike is just a little too big

  9. Does anyone have Gary fishers anymore they are pretty crappy and I still have one and it has no suspension and it kinda sucks

  10. My mountain bike has no gear cables so iam stuck in 8th gear so I can't do anything on it a part from bunny hops

  11. 3:38 “and manuals are hopeless” this is at 1/3 of weight my bike weighs exactly 1/3 of what I do but I can still bunnyhop and wheelie

    But can’t manual

  12. my 200mm travel front/back 27.5 x 2.5 wheel downhill rig is like 50lbs 55lbs… could i learn to wheelie / long manual it?

  13. I don't think my bike is too heavy. I think IM not heavy enough. See i weigh around 88 pounds or 40 kilograms, so for me a feather-weight bike is as difficult to handle than it is for Seth to handle the 48 pound wallgoose. Does anybody know if im right? What sdould i do?

  14. Yes but about a year ago I couldn’t do a wheelie on my old trek hardtail but I could on my brothers new specialized hard tail that was about 5 pounds lighter

  15. I rode a $75 walmart mongoose for 4 years doing basic street stunting and wheelies. Got decent at wheelies, could bunnyhop(haven't tried it the way you do it, I lift both wheels at once), did jumps etc. I ended up wearing the FRONT tire bald first strangely enough. It was a dual suspension bike, and the front suspension held up pretty well, but the rear spring didn't spring back all the way after enough use, and would flop around on the shock and be SUPER SOFT. The brakes were also terrible, rear brake didn't do anything, front brake was weak. I slowed down by stuffing my shoe in between the front wheel the the forks. Good times. I didn't know about proper bike maintenance back then, so I never improved it. I don't remember any steering or bearing problems though.

    Now I have a Trek Y3 and an old Specialized Rockhopper with an engine.

  16. My mtb has 24 gear but my 8th gear does not work and my left pedal are coming out what should i do i love mountain biking

  17. If u guys want to blame it on weight im riding a 15 kg bike L size which is slightly too big for me i can still manual with it

  18. this video was hillarious!

    and the excuse of not being able to wheelie their bike due to the weight has always been bs, and you just prooved what i havent seen any evidence of before but almost anyone knew. my bike isn't light, almost 15 kg. and for me weighing in at under 70 kg or i think about 135 pounds is it pretty heavy, but it is all due to the 160mm front and 150mm rear suspension and enduro build quality.

  19. Ik have an aluminium mongoose with rock shock air suspension and i thought it is good bike but now i don't know

  20. I laughed so hard when the back wheel turned to play-doh! It just straight up gave up on life and turned into a pringle 😀

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