Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT) – Science vs. Culture?
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The Thirty Meter Telescope will be the
largest telescope ever built in the northern hemisphere, but what happens
when science is in conflict with culture? Hello everyone I’m Christian Ready, your
friendly neighborhood astronomer, and if this is your first time here, welcome and
please be sure to hit the Subscribe button and tap that notification bell so
that you don’t miss out on any new videos. Current plans call for the TMT to
be built on top of Mauna Kea which is an extinct volcano on the Big Island of
Hawaii. Mauna Kea is home to some of the world’s largest telescopes, including the
twin 10-meter Keck telescopes. But it’s no understatement to say that there’s
real controversy surrounding whether or not to build TMT atop Mauna Kea. Mauna
Kea is the home of the Native Hawaiians’ gods and therefore is considered sacred
ground for some Native Hawaiian groups. Now we’re going to talk more about the
controversy surrounding TMT in just a moment, but first let’s talk a little bit
about the telescope itself. In astronomy, bigger is better. Telescopes need to be
made as large as possible so as to collect as much light as possible and
therefore allow us to probe deeper and deeper into the universe. To build
mirrors larger than 8 meters across multiple, mirrors are brought together to
act as one giant mirror. For example, the twin Keck telescopes atop Mauna Kea use
36 hexagonal segments to act as a single 10 meter diameter mirror. But TMT will
combine 492 segments to form a giant 30 meter diameter mirror. Each mirror is 1.4
meters across but only 45 millimeters thick.
That’s a little less than 2 inches. That means that the mirrors are lightweight,
easier to manufacture, and much easier to remove and clean and replace as needed.
Star light reflects off of the primary mirror and bounces up to the secondary,
which then redirects the light beam down to the tertiary mirror. But this tertiary
can rotate and pivot up and down to direct the light beam into any one of
the scientific instruments located on the Nasmyth platforms on either side of
the telescope. Of course, TMT will come standard with
the latest adaptive optics technology, and this will allow the telescope to
achieve a resolution that is ten times sharper than the Hubble Space Telescope.
The telescope is also protected by a special enclosure called a Calotte dome.
This design was chosen to reduce construction costs as well as to keep
the overall footprint of the telescope as small as possible. Now at night the
enclosure has to be able to pivot to allow the telescope to point anywhere in
the sky it needs to, but it will also be equipped with a sophisticated
ventilation system that will keep a uniform column of smooth air over the
mirrors at all times. This will ensure that images are free from any distortion
caused by turbulence inside the dome. But a telescope this advanced needs to be
located under the clearest and driest skies available. This is to improve
something called “Astronomical Seeing” and it’s something that we talked about in a
previous video. I’ll have a link to it up here so you can go check it out later. So
figuring out the location for the telescope took about five years. Several
sites were considered both in the northern and southern hemispheres. Since
we’re building the Giant Magellan Telescope and the European Extremely
Large Telescope in the high desert in Chile, it made sense to locate
TMT somewhere in the northern hemisphere. That brought the selection down to one
of two possible locations. The first is the La Palma Observatory in the Canary
Islands off the coast of Spain, the second is near the top of Mauna Kea
located on the Big Island of Hawaii. Now Mauna Kea was selected over La Palma
in the Canary Islands for several reasons, but the most important of them
is the fact that Mauna Kea is higher and drier.
Unfortunately, the placement of telescopes atop Mauna Kea has been a
sore subject for some Native Hawaiian groups. They argued that the mountain is
sacred ground and home to some of their gods. And this is where the story gets
very difficult to tell, partly out of cultural sensitivities but also because
I don’t have the legal expertise to really get into all of the details. But
I’ll give it a shot. The top of Mauna Kea is an environmental
conservation area. This means that TMT had to undergo
several reviews including environmental impact statements. Following reviews and
public hearings, the Hawaiian Bureau of Land and Natural Resources issued a
permit to allow construction to begin. However, the Hawaiian Supreme Court ruled
that BLNR acted prematurely and had to wait for a contested case to be
resolved before issuing the permit. Hearings on the contested case were held
throughout 2016 and early 2017. The chief hearing officer was retired Circuit
Court Judge Ricky May Amano. After four months of testimony, judge Amano issued a
300+ page report recommending that BLNR reissue the construction permit.
After BLNR conducted its review, it reissued the permit in September of 2017.
However the case was appealed to the Hawaiian Supreme Court on the grounds
that Judge Amano was not a fair and impartial hearing officer. By the way,
that was just one of the appeals, there was actually another appeal that was
heard in March. And on June 21st of this year, the Hawaiian State Supreme Court
heard arguments on both sides regarding the appeal. In the meantime, the TMT
International Organization has started to hedge its bets and has revisited
plans to move the telescope to La Palma in the Canary Islands if they cannot go
through with building on Mauna Kea. To that end, an agreement has been reached
with the Spanish government and a location on La Palma for TMT has been
selected. So at first blush it may seem to make sense to just pack it in and move the whole smash over to La Palma, but there are some problems
with this approach. The first has to do with the observing conditions – they’re
not as good at La Palma as they are at Mauna Kea, so TMT might not be able to
fully reach its scientific potential if it’s located there. The second is, believe
It or not, cultural. Hawaii is the center of world-class astronomy and TMT would
continue in that tradition. The TMT organization donates $1 million a
year for STEM education and scholarships. Not only that, but a recent
poll conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling showed that 77% of Hawaiians favored TMT
and its support among Native Hawaiians was two-to-one in favor of the project.
Now obviously it doesn’t really matter what I think, or what even the people of
Hawaii think. Right now what matters is what the Supreme Court of Hawaii thinks, and we’re gonna be finding out about that in the months to come. But as long
as we’re waiting for the Hawaiian court to issue its decision, we may as well
speculate about it. What do you think should happen? Should the court agree
with the protesters or agree with TMT? If they do agree with TMT, should TMT
proceeded to build atop Mauna Kea, or should they just go ahead and move it
all over to the Canary Islands? Leave your thoughts in the comments below and
I’ll be sure to check them out. By the way, if you like telescopes, I’ve got some
more videos on some of the giant telescopes that are under construction
right over here. There’s also an entire channel, so please feel free to check it
out and subscribe and be sure to hit that notification icon so that you don’t
miss out on any new videos. Thank you so much for watching, and keep watching the
skies.

100 thoughts on “Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT) – Science vs. Culture?

  1. 🔴 More giant telescope videos: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAnGxL8nxOHR01diTRdgqhUto6Jqxgx9

  2. but what they wont tell yoy is how they are going to dig into the mountain to dump all their radioactive waste into the water well that sits below poisoning the land whitch will spread to everything

  3. With all do respect for your video and science here’s a bit more info for you:

    Just some info on what's been going on and what had lead the Kia'i Mauna to step forward and do something.

    When the question why now comes up shoot them this……..More of why…. educate yourself; read on

    Mauna Kea Timeline:

    1964 – Mauna Kea is identified by UH as an exceptional site for astronomical observation.

    1968 – UH signs a 65-year general lease from BLNR for 13,321 acres of ceded lands at the summit. BLNR can terminate the lease if the lease terms are not met, including care for the mauna. A permit for “an observatory”-meaning only one telescope- was granted but numerous telescopes are built by UH without permits, input from Native Hawaiians and public hearings. BLNR later issues “after the fact” permits–again, without public hearings.

    1974 – Governor George Ariyoshi, concerned that the activities on the mountain pose a threat to its “priceless qualities,” directs DLNR to make a Master Plan for the mauna. DLNR and UH draft 10 different plans, but the speed of development on Mauna Kea makes some of them obsolete before they are completed.

    1975 – The Audubon Society resists the installation of the 15-meter sub-millimeter antenna.

    1995 – UH cleans up trash accumulating on the summit only after the Sierra Club files a complaint.

    1998 – The State Auditor releases a scathing report documenting 30 years of mismanagement of Mauna Kea by both the BLNR and UH and reveals that, despite spending $50 million per year on telescope operations, no observatory paid more than $1 a year rent.

    1999 – Despite the audit, they build two more telescopes.

    2004 – Subpoenaed documents reveal that sewage, ethylene glycol, diesel fuel, and toxic mercury were spilled on the mauna.

    2005 – A follow-up audit finds that UH’s management “still falls short.” A NASA environmental study concludes that 35 years of astronomy activity has caused “significant, substantial and adverse” harm.

    2007 – Third Circuit Court revokes NASA’s permit for an observatory project because of the state’s lack of a comprehensive management plan for the mauna.

    2010 – UH’s new Comprehensive Management Plan includes a “Decommissioning Plan” for removing observatories and restoring the site. To date, only one of the existing 13 observatories has started the process. A UH environmental study concludes that astronomy activities have caused “substantial and adverse” impacts to the mauna’s natural and cultural resources.

    2011 – The Subaru Observatory spills 100 liters of orange coolant.

    2013 – BLNR hears UH’s request for a new 65-year general lease, to expire in 2078. UH’s undergraduate governing body, representing 14,000 students, passes a resolution opposing a new lease.

    2014 – Another follow-up audit finds UH failed to adopt a single rule to manage public activities on the mountain.

    2015 – Governor David Ige temporarily stops construction on Mauna Kea after 300 mauna protectors peacefully block roads to the proposed TMT site and 31 are arrested. A petition with 53,000 signatures calling for a halt to the TMT and the arrests of protectors is delivered to Ige. UH’s President admits that “[UH] has not met all of [its] obligations to the mountain or the expectations of the community.”

    2017 – Another audit finds that none of the 8 recommendations in the 2014 audit had been completely implemented. UH and DLNR have also failed and to adequately implement 32 of 54 management actions that concern Native Hawaiians.

  4. Can someone just admit that this about racism and laziness. Hawaiians can’t embrace the telescope because that would be embracing the white mans creation. Due to lack of creative effort and intellectual laziness, Hawaiians aren’t creating anything new. It’s a lot easier to go back to the past, pre Haole invasion, and cling to outdated practices created by the early Hawaiians. The telescope points to the future and may benefit all of humanity. Religion points to the past and only benefits the few people who still practice it. If we let religion get in the way of scientific progress throughout history we would still think the Earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, earth is the center of the universe, disease is caused by demons, etc etc etc.

  5. If god meant us to see past the stars he would have gave us eyes to see past the stars. Leave the Hawaiian lands in Hawaiian hands . Don’t build TMT.

  6. As a hawaiian i dont like were it is being placed. But at the same time they (said we voted). They said (yes) we cant stop it now by law. Just like the rail its to late now. The way you expected it things make sense. Just like everything else on this island we got to live with what people vote for. The good the bad and in between. Even the (secret stuff they dont want to tell everyone about)

  7. I think you need help.. western mindset that's why .. talk about stars how you think our ancestors got here ? We no need tmt for look at star's our ppl been looking at them .. we navigated here through stars

  8. They should just move it to the Canary Islands. We the Kanakas don't agree with this TMT being built on our Sacred Mountain. Haven't you seen the Movement across the world? We stand together and come against the building of this TMT being built upon Our Tutu Wahine. A'ole TMT!
    "KU KIA'I MAUNA!"

  9. These polls and surveys are what makes you feel enpowered? Many people choose not to answer any survey. It is our right to NOT address surveys that are positioned for the benefit of the contractor. You say 77% Hawaiians voted for TMT. Your error and the error of the polling questions were directed to what "Hawaiians"? The citizens of the U.S. who reside in Hawaii cannot be called Hawaiian. This title is to those people who are of the indigeneous race of Hawaii, kanaka maoli only. So..that survey is completely false. I am Hawaiian blood and never recieved a survey, a call or a letter. You just highlighted how TMT Corporation bleached my race with all residents of this country. Because you dress, dance, say aloha and live in Hawaii does not make you Hawaiian. No matter how much black shoe shine you plaster on your face, no matter how good you dance, no matter how good you speak and sing does not make you….guess what? No matter how many Indian clothes and jewelry worn and headdress paraded around does not make you Native Americans, either.
    Here in Hawaii we have phd packing individuals who parade in"costume" calling themselves Hawaiian because tbey can Sing dance talk and dress Hawaiian. Truth they are not HAWAIIAN!!!
    The U.S. recognized and dedicated Maunakea as a cultural site years ago. It was put into Conservation. They recognized that it is so special it should be kept pristine. The State disregarded the very essence of the protection granted many years ago. It is time to return this Mauna back to it's pristine environment. No more – enough is enough!!!!

  10. If the opponents had won in court, they would have expected TMT to comply and not build. But since opponents lost, they simply claim they don't care, that the courts are illegal, and TMT still cannot be built.

  11. best they prepare to move it when you destroy a culture the people have nothing left. 2to 1 estimate is wrong the Hawaiians as natives not occupant's will never give in its the last stand for native Hawaiians they will force the gov to kill them which will  awaken all the 25 ten 5  percent Hawaiians all over the world and not to mention mauri samoans tongans all those people of color including native Indians will all end up on the mountain and will out number any law enforcement. yyou will  then understand  what a revolution of racial discrimination in united states will look like . grandmas in wheel chairs babys in strollers do you really think it will go well on cnn oor fox when they all gasp for air and die from tear gas and Arad it will make Tien amen look like a  holliday usa kills its own people

  12. can anyone explain how looking at black holes stars far away possible new planets or even aliens will bring world peace  feed starving humans or make our lives here on earth  better?

  13. There's a difference between American's of Kanaka Oiwi descent and Kanaka Oiwi who remain descendants of the Hawaiian Kingdom. One has to do with being detached from their culture and loyal to the occupying nation because they are the result of inculcated through indoctrination programs implemented in public schools after the overthrow and have lost their cultural values. The other remains loyal to their cultural mores and traditions holding fast to values that sustained Hawaiians for centuries on these islands. You can't clump them all together and label them the same. Like the vote for statehood. The vote should have been done by those of Kanaka Maoli ancestry who had a vested and cultural interest on the lands of their ancestors with the choice of retaining their sovereign status and independence as granted under the U.N. Charter Chapter XI under the provisions of Article 73.

    People can come up with their own opinions and conclusions but without understanding the complexity that exists in Hawaii they will never understand why people are protesting.

  14. this issue seems like a failure of consultation and diplomacy. it's possible that native hawaiian people could have endorsed this project as it's in line with ancient traditional values of courage, exploration, environmentalism and new knowledge. the hawaiian people are not simple villagers to be persuaded or tricked, they are intelligent people with the capacity to understand and support the value of such a project.

  15. I think they can come and built it right on Texas mountain. no one will bother them. if they really want it in Hawaii, then listen to the people.. supreme court or ultimate court is from the people. not scientist.

  16. of course, the people not from hawaii have things to say . yes alot of people domt support tmt aroumd the world , that i really appreciate . but many others support it , he doesnt understand , this isnt apart of him & it isnt important to him .

  17. His data is wrong ! mauna kea is a sacared land is VERY IMPORTANT to us hawaiians . it hurts us, my family, Hawaiians . im from hawaii & it HURTS !! KU KIAI MAUNA, AOLE TMT !!

  18. I dont live on Big Island but do live Hawaii. I think this should be on the ballot so we can just end this debate once and for all. I think this telescope is awesome and should be put somewhere but then again this entire island chain was STOLEN from the Hawaiian people to begin with. With rhat being said; if even just one true Hawaiian apposed this we should respect their wish.

  19. Thousands of theologies worldwide… yet, none of them use a unified theory to describe the reality to which we live day by day. Science and maths do exactly that. It's a shame people can't recognize the importance of science and intellectual endeavors in our daily lives. If you can't support science, you cannot support innovation, efficiency, and renewable energy. It's what Earth needs, and it will become incredibly important in the coming decades as climate change runs its course. Perhaps they would allow us to install thousands of solar panels on the mountain instead?

    Please understand, I recognize the importance of this land to the native peoples of Hawaii, but I must ask why the TMT would be such an impedance on the land? The size of the telescope is very reasonable for the performance it would deliver to astronomers worldwide.

  20. TMT has done everything the govt. has asked for it to do to make this right, and they are doing everything they can to respect other interests. The summit has been used since ancient times to measure the Solstices and Equinoxes, that is what the monoliths are for. So continue the tradition. What's one more telescope ? there are a bunch up their already and where they are built no other structures or graves were ever found. Build it. If you have to arrest a few malcontents who act anarchistically against the rulings of the Constitutional govt. of the State of Hawaii, so be it.

  21. THE HELL WITH THE TELESCOPE we kanaka aole meaning NO! Pass goto the carnary island beat it we don't care we know THE US will use it for the wrong reason listen to this Bullshiter talk about some stupid scopetele we don't want put it on the mauna thr volcano will explode volcanic ash try see what happen THE US Supreme court is corrupted US HAS corrupted there own judges 86'cannot make judgment on tmt no!

  22. What I don't understand is that humans are not native to Hawaii. They arrived in the 300s bce from the other Pacific islands. This "Sacred" ground has nothing to do with their origin, it's simply just an example of humans being in awe that the land meets the sky. The land is controlled by the University of Hawaii and is wildly important for providing jobs and scientific discovery. It isn't causing any pollution or major environmental disturbance and they are planning to dismantle 5 of the existing telescopes. This isn't really an addition it's a replacement. I respect the protest but this isn't anything like building a pipeline. Hawaiians should be proud that the sacred ground is the perfect place to have the telescopes because it really is the place where the land meets the sky. Ancient Hawaiians were extremely curious and I'd put money that they would have approved.

  23. I think it is just a way for all of the protesters to blow off steam!! ALL of them that are up there are telling the hole planet that Hawaii DOSE NOT want the the telescope to be built. That is slimly not the case!! some are up there that oppose the idea, those people are just up there to have a good time as it looks to me on news clips. I think it should be build for all man kind. the people that do not want it built are not stupid they are just brain washed into thinking this is a bad idea because of the vary small amount of people with vary loud voice's and bullies in the communities and in the state of Hawaii.

  24. It's not science vs culture it's greed vs culture. There's already a telescope in Chile that's better than this one will be twelve years from now. It's all about money. Hawaii lawmakers want another long construction project to milk to death like the railway project.

  25. Science vs. Culture? Simple build it somewhere else. In this present times we need to preserve our Hawaiian Culture. No culture equals no Hawaiians. Fight for our culture.

  26. All I want to know is who's building the telescope and who sold the land to them. Maybe the protesters should've said something BEFORE the land was sold.

  27. TMT does not belong up on our mauna. It is a sacred place for us as kanaka maoli. And is one of the last shinning beacons of our culture. Science should never outweigh culture. They should just go to the canary isle. And build it there. TMT has somewhere else to go. WE ( Kanaka Maoli) dont. Our Hawai'i has been desecrated and trampled on too many times. When is enough enough? Can ANYBODY answer that for me?…we've been told to many lies, promises to us have been broken too many times. Just leave our mauna. That is all we have. And that's all we ask. No more desecration to our lands. Aloha!

    KU KIA'I MAUNA.

  28. didn't convince me.  I like science and math.  but there's comes a time that too many a times the white man western culture has this philosophy of take, take, and take.  and i'm tired of that.  I am not Hawaiian.  I am of Filipino ancestry raised in sugar plantation village culture which the white man has build, prospered, and when it couldn't make his money, left it and let it die.

  29. They need to take the TMT to the Canary islands. We are done with americas desecration here in my Hawai'i. We love science. But. We won't let desecration happen in the name of it.
    MaunaKea is A Burial site, place of worship and home to a very sensitive and rare ecosystem. I believe that any TMT supporters who further educate them selves on the subject will no long wish TMT to destroy Hawai'i.

  30. What happens. Easy, whatever entity has more money, power and subsequently can do as they please. I hate to see it but it is human nature.

  31. Give me a break! Science should take a back seat on this telescope. The people (native Hawaiians) should keep Mauna Kea as sacred as possible. Simple solution… Get rid of one of the older telescopes and then put the new one in its place.

  32. Fk culture. science should be at fronts of all human kind. Ignorancein culture and religion is keeping human kind back

  33. First of all, respecting their culture is far more important than building a giant telescope. Seeing how the "white man" is always trying to protect his own culture. Whether it be only teaching "the white history" in American schools even though America is supposed to be a "melting pot" and nobody else's culture is ever "properly taught". White America abuses the fact of them being a "superpower" and a majority to bully other minorities and think that it's not a big deal to build the telescope but would never let anyone touch their "white culture". They're honestly just treating the Hawaiians like the treated the Native Americans, stealing the land and destroying the culture.

  34. Would you build on the Temple Mount? Dome of the Rock? Heck all of the Holy City of Jerusalem. It’s a scared and important place to the people of Hawaii, Hawaiian and Non Hawaiians. Balance people. Will TMT solve the mysteries and problems of our society/earth?

  35. U LEFT OUT DA FACT DAT.. WE ARE STILL AN OVER THROWN NATION!! BUT TMT DID ONE THING.. IT WOKE UP DA SLEEPING GIANT!!! AND WE DONE WITH DA BULLING ON EVER PART FROM U.S. & GREEDY PPL.. EDUCATION OR NOT.. TEACHING DAT BULLIES CAN TAKE WAT THEY WANT BECAUSE THEY HAVE POWER AND MONEY.. IS WRONG!!! MAKE RIGHT BEFORE MAKING ANYMORE TELESCOPES!!!! AND FOR DAT %OF HAWAIIANS FAVORING TMT (FAKEFACTS).. DAS FINE.. CAUSE DA REST OF DA WORLD FROM JAPAN- AUSTRIA.. ENGLAND- AFRICA.. WORLD WIDE!!! SUPPORTS DA MAUNA!!!! WE HERE.. WE NOT GOING MOVE!!!!

  36. This is spreading propaganda, I live in hawaii Native or not ive never heard ONE civilian who wants TMT here. The only one who wants TMT is our dirty politicians. Our CHIEF of POLICE has been indicted and so has his wife our deputy prosecutor for drugs, theft, framing innocent people into prison. (Their own family I add) Dont believe me, Just google Louis Kealoha

  37. We are NOT PROTESTERS! We are PROTECTORS!!!! We are protecting land that is sacred to the people of Hawaii. We are PROTECTING our home from being destroyed by another billion dollar company that doesnt give to shits about anything but money. I may not be Hawaiian but Hawaii is MY home! I will stand amd fight to PROTECT MY home. I will stand with the native Hawaiian people and help PROTECT the culture, their sacred lands, and their way of life. KU KIA'I MAUNA!!!!!

  38. a’ole tmt get this nasty tings offfffff nowwwwww they DO NOT BELONG ON OUR MAUNA 🔺✊🏽KŪ KIAʻI MAUNA, mauna a wakea

  39. Get out of Hawaii!
    Ku Kia’i Mauna🔺💕
    Go to Canary Islands! Get your facts straight! These islands does not belong to America!! Stupid!!

  40. This is about scientific imperialism, Mr Western White Professor. And you have the audacity to claim astronomy culture?? GTFO with that mess. You're what's wrong with the field

  41. On one hand I agree with preservation of land and respectful of people’s customs and beliefs; but I also believe in scientific and human advancement. People talk about customs and traditions, while driving in a car, using an iPhone to post on social media, and taking meds for heart conditions. This is the world all over, we tend to pick and choose what benefits us… Ultimately there needs to be some compromise. Remove the older telescopes, build a new one that doesn’t destroy the landscape, and invest back into the local community. That’s my thoughts .

  42. Why don't you put that telescope on the worlds tallest building? Make your own tower of babylon in your own back yard!

  43. You say you don't have a legal expertise yet you give it a try but I don't see you giving a try to cultural aspect of the issue. You almost talk nothing about cultural part yet name the video science v culture. I am not a Hawaiian but my heart is with those people protecting their sacred lands, in fact I am from a country some people might think that we would not care about these issues. I am from Turkey. I am also not against science but I am against when people interfere other people's spiritual connection to this world. We are lost in a world where we don't know the reason of our existence. Spirituality, beliefs, religions are things making us go, making us survive and holding on. Noone has right to pollute these connections. Those native people would also be against construction of something to Meccah, Jerusalem or Tibet. We are all Mauna Kea. Love from Turkey.

  44. Most of the native Hawaiians dont agree but some locals on Hawaii do there is a difference ua mau ke ea I ka aina I ka pono

  45. I learned that one reason for putting TMT on Mauna Kea was because they needed it to be somewhere cool enough to sustain the temperature of the telescope. There is a punawai (fresh water spring) under/ in the mauna that they would drill into and use to cool TMT while polluting that fresh water that could sustain the entire island of Hawaii for a very long time. You all say itʻs to better the knowledge of the future yet you are destroying it. I truly donʻt understand the extreme importance of getting pictures of stars. The Hawaiians arenʻt against science, there is much science within our culture already. For foreigners to come in and take our land for their pleasure is sickening. There should be a lot more respect for the cause and our efforts to keep what we believe is sacred. People truly need to educate themselves in depth about the mana (power) of the Hawaiian culture.

  46. If the scientist were good, they would make changes and modifications to push it to its best abilities while in La Palma.

  47. What I think is that TMT has no right to build on property that doesn't rightfully belong to them. If native Hawaiians feel they don't want anything built on their land then TMT should respect their wishes

  48. Put it somewhere else!!! Do your research before you put out a video insinuating your giving a 2 sided look into a subject. Mauna Kea is SACRED !!! And the reason it has been stopped is because they have no legal jurisdiction to operate there. ALL Hawaiians stand together on this ALL ISLANDS STAND TOGETHER against the desecration of Mauna Kea! That is a lie that 77% of Hawaiians favor tmt. Are you meaning people that “reside” in Hawaii? Because if you are, simply residing here does not make one Hawaiian! To people like you there is nothing sacred. It’s not even an issue of Hawaiians VS Science. And I’m not sure who your trying to fool by putting this out there. AOLE TMT

  49. If I were in charge I’d put all who protest the telescope in one giant room with no modern conveniences and see how that goes, give them no support nothing from other cultures and see what becomes of the fanatics. Build the scope!!!!

  50. you will never find life outside our solar system…..never and you will never make it to MARS…..never….this is home….get over it!

  51. You forgot to mention that by the time they finish building the telescope they would have to take it down in a matter of days because of the lease approval and it would be a waste of time and money.

    It is sacred to all Hawaiians, not just some.

  52. Hawaiians have already lost their nation, their royal family, their culture, their language, their land, their water, their rights, their whole world. The State gave U of H the right to build ONE telescope on Mauna Kea. They built 13. Every time the Hawaiians give an inch, outsiders take a yard.
    Consider that before judging their views on a building the size of a 18 story Costco built on the holiest land in their ancient culture.

  53. because…

    《A través de la larga y amarga experiencia, Rajasinghe había aprendido a no confiar nunca en primeras impresiones, pero también a nunca ignorarlas.》

    'The Fountains of Paradise' by Arthur C. Clarke [1979]

    🌎📡🎶🎵( (( 💜 )) )

  54. I believe the court should rule based on the statistics, which show the majority of Hawaiian people still agree to the construction. I mean if a minority percent don't agree to a ruling and protest, and the majority agrees but does not protest, does it mean the minority should get the ruling ?

  55. I pay taxes in Hawaii, part Hawaiian land owner on Hawaii and pro TMT! Build TMT where it belongs, on Mauna Kea! Put TMT in place of one of the decommissioned telescopes! Then it will be more visible! Also arrest the road blockers! Tow/impound their vehicles!

  56. Who gives a flying (beep) sounds like the Tower of Babel all over again. And “some” of us know what happened with that

  57. When polled 77% of Hawaiians want the telescope to be built so they rest of you need to sit down shut up stop smoking meth and get a job! Most of these people are white hipsters from California and have no business even being there. These people have already gotten everything they wanted and more yet they still won't move then they should be arrested for blocking a public road and trespassing. To build this they are already going to tear down 4 other telescopes and build a museum for the natives what more do you want? I don't think they understand that without the telescopes the whole areas economy would collapse and return to being like a third world country like it was before the telescopes.The criminals blocking the road are the only ones on the island who want to stop it and in fact most natives actually support the TMT because they know how good it is for the island but nobody talks to them just to the trouble makers. #WeSupportTMT #ThirtyMeterTelescope

  58. Its so sad how you foreign people that have no connection to hawaii or our hawaiian culture have say in any of this!you guys see the hurt that our people are going through,knowing that everything about tmt on mauna kea is illegal,you all still push for it to happen!is it right for buildings to be built on your family's graves?is it right to break the law?is it right to stop people from their beliefs and religion? A'OLE! No!And the percentage of people that you say come from hawaiians is a lie!more than half the world is against putting tmt on mauna kea!we the people will continue to live,learn and speak the truth!we will continue our ways of kapu aloha!And we will continue to protect what protects us all!Aloha mauna kea!Aloha aina!we will continue to pray for all the broken hearts,meaning the ones that been hurt and the ones that their hearts dont work..especially those! KU KIA'I MAUNA!!!A'OLE TMT!canary islands want and need you there!No brainer right!make everyone happy?or hurt everyone?what makes more sense?

  59. Knowledge is power. I believe many don't know or understand the importance of the Hawaiian people speaking up and why. I suggest that those that don't know or think they know by hearsay, do some research for themselves. With all due respect to the brilliant scientists involved with TMT, the Polynesians have been navigating the stars for many years and are also astronomers in their own respect and understand the importance of the skies. So it is not the science we are against. We all live on ONE earth, we are the keepers of it.

  60. Agree with native Hawaiian protestors. Their land was already taken from them by the United States. Enough is enough!

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